Posted on 03/12/2016 6:33:12 PM PST by Jim Robinson
Are we be better off today with the thousands of U.S. factories that have shut down and millions of American jobs lost and the trillions in accumulated debt that we've run up in the last couple decades of free trade?
And, of course, this is due to many factors including such things as:
Big government
Regulations
High taxes
Unions driving up costs
Cheap labor overseas
Fewer regulations overseas
Lower taxes overseas
Trade deficits
etc.,
And doubly exasperated by poor trade deals?
Or is this all a myth?
Are we better off with cheaper foreign (cheap) goods, fewer U.S. factories, fewer U.S. jobs, higher unemployment and welfare, higher taxes and higher national debt?
Will this spiral out of control until we lose our country?
Is ushering in free trade before (or without) reducing our own costs the equivalent of national suicide?
Trump’s primary business is real estate, not sewing factories . Apparel requires a lot of specialized knowledge like any other industry. Most brands are subcontracted now and I doubt Trump clothing is of a volume to support dedicated factories.
This fails to account for suppliers, transportation, logistics, wholesalers, and support jobs that are necessary for one factory to operate.
We lose all of those, too, when we lose manufacturing jobs.
All we have are the service jobs, some of the transportation jobs, and some of the support jobs...as the goods go from the dock to the walmart shelves.
I don’t think you need reliable data to support that claim. It’s kind of self-evident. Just go to any large-scale U.S. manufacturing operation and see how few people it takes to work there compared to a generation ago. You used to have entire company towns where thousands of men would work at the local plant. Today, these plants produce just as many units of whatever they produce, with a much smaller work force.
Hardly. Read the rest of it. Exclusive of the high taxes and inordinate regulatory costs the American worker produces more output per dollar of input than any other in the world. If you think otherwise then you have no explanation for American economic dominance of the last century and you can have no hope for any resurgence.
Glad you posted like you did - too many are not asking themselves actual questions and engaging their brains with the seeking of the answers - they have become low-information voters even as they deride the Left for being such.
Along with his wife
Never mind I guess you covered her when you mentioned handlers.
Yes, we manufacture about as much today as we ever have; we just don’t use nearly as much labor to do so.
My experience as a longtime businessperson has been fleshing out and explaining many of his concepts on FR, only to be dismissed, told I'm a hater, or ridiculed about stuff I know like the back of my hand. There is no perfect candidate. Republicans stood by and watched when Palin was trashed over what were basically personality issues, and all her talent for "calling it" and reforming government went by the wayside. I'd hate to see another situation where one of the most talented men on offer for this job was sidelined due to personality issues. The skills he has that are very much needed are too important to our survival to let that happen again.
We lose all of those, too, when we lose manufacturing jobs.
Your first and second points don't correlate at all. The warehousing and transportation sectors in this country have been booming for years even as the manufacturing sector has moved much of its activity offshore.
How do you think a Wal-Mart store in the Midwest gets all of the products on its shelves?
Dingbat, he is talking about transportation of raw materials and handling of sub assemblies.
If I'm in the business of manufacturing iPhones and selling them all over the world, would I better off locating my plant close to 400 million customers in North American or 3-4 billion customers in Asia?
Jim Robinson wrote:
You might want to peruse his website for some specifics.
2006 desktop Browser problems plus very limited sosh only income prevents getting new stuff.
Sir;
Why must I go into his site when he could bring them up during the debates and have a discourse on his and other approaches ? Instead hear him drag debates into the mud and turns these so called debates into WWF wrestling matches.
. What I am fearfull of is if he does succeed in getting the nomination the media will be going after him in all sorts of venues. Comedy shows, which they are already doing. Work anti Trump copy into popular shows hinting at certain aspects of his foibles or business practices. Plus run a bunch of exclusives on their so called news hours. We really do not need this.
My experience as a longtime businessperson has been fleshing out and explaining many of his concepts on FR, only to be dismissed, told I’m a hater, or ridiculed about stuff I know like the back of my hand.
I know what you mean. Actually they have been using this venue to evaluate their talking points and now dominate it. Many Cruz supporters no longer use this venue because of those nattering nabobs of negativity tactics.
It is too bad this used to be the place to go to find out what the heck is going on. Right now there us a whole bunch of congressional races going on and nobody us posting them or discussions about supporting government shut downs or the overreaching of some of these agencies like the EPA or IRS besides what the INS is doing. It has become a Trump Dump. Conservatism is out. It is now, you have heard the expression soup de jour, well this is; mode de jour politique (populist) politics.
I like to say that history is a process, not an event
a process of nominating primaries is underway and is dominating the FR argument. my experience teaches me that that will be largely over by Thursday or so.
At some point any way, the process will revert back to the normal discussion and argument on conservative ideas and issues not directly related to the Presidential race.
However, we will likely be subject to the self righteous pontificating of those that declare they won’t vote because the stick in the icecream was a little off center. These cop outs will begin in two or three weeks. that is part of the process
We can only hope there will be cool heads able to provide wise counsel to sooth the worried minds and develop a consensus that will allow us to prevail aginst the wicked withc from Arkansas
You need some hard data to support this statement:
Kudos to the Freeper who pointed out several months ago that U.S. manufacturing employment would have been declining for years even if the U.S. was the only country in the world, and there was no such thing as "foreign trade."
Many facts refute the above, including:
1. There are many more individual manufactured products produced now than in the past.
2. People own more stuff now, more vehicles, more TVs and more gadgets of both old and newer technology.
3. The US population has increased from about 200 million in the 1960s to about 320 million now.
As I said, the only stat that would really tell us anything about this is one that shows how many manufacturing jobs were required to produce all the manufactured products sold in the US in 2015, and say, several different years going back to the 1960s?
What this tells me is that U.S. manufacturing employment peaked in the late 1970s, while industrial output is higher today than ever before. It looks like the U.S. has doubled its industrial output since 1979, with about 40% fewer people working in manufacturing.
The haters start out with the assumption that they are superior in wisdom and talk down immediately. The more reasonable people try to discuss issues but soon get flamed by the superior types, who actually are insecure in their information, wisdom or faith -- otherwise they wouldn't find other opinions so threatening.
Personally, I hate to see outright misinformation spread, or hard-and-fast conclusions drawn based on an obviously manipulated media stream. There are many people who truly do not understand that their biases or emotions are not the same as facts or evidence.
The important thing is not to let the nasty loudmouths skew your opinion of the whole group of those who favor or disfavor a candidate. There are people in "my" candidate's camp who consistently embarrass me with their name-calling and trash-talking, and they make me just as uncomfortable as the ones who do it on the other side. That kind of talk doesn't help.
http://www.moneycrashers.com/what-is-national-us-unemployment-rate/
Your source, as with those who believe in other “zero sum” situations which don't exist (take the GOPe’s calculation that the GOP must appeal to illegal immigrants to win any election, as one example), leaves out a huge number of people that are available or swayable. Your source also leaves out anyone who is working in a temp or part-time job outside of their area of expertise to get by until something better shows up.
Do you have better numbers available?
Yes, I intended to, but you are correct, we must never forget whom he sleeps with and what she works for.
It’s worse than that. The we, and the world, get even higher priced good costs from the US, making us lose on price far beyond what we lose due to high wages.
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