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Apple, FBI, and the Burden of Forensic Methodology
Zdziarski's Blog of Things ^ | February 18, 2016 | Jonathan Zdziarski

Posted on 03/11/2016 5:51:41 PM PST by Swordmaker

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1 posted on 03/11/2016 5:51:41 PM PST by Swordmaker
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A Qualified Forensic iOS specialist weighs in on the Apple v. FBI fight and explains why the FBI is not being honest in its claims and is trying to play the Court for a patsy to get from the Court what it would not normally grant. There's a lot of expert commentary here from someone who has actually DONE what a lot here are merely speculating about. He provides his CV for those who may doubt his expertise. — PING!


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2 posted on 03/11/2016 5:56:27 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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Hilarious. Gunga Din never carried this much water.


3 posted on 03/11/2016 5:59:05 PM PST by jessduntno ("Where the Hell do you put the bayonet?" - Gen. "Chesty" Puller, at a flamethrower demonstration.)
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To: Swordmaker
Ted Cruz and Mitt Romney should handled this sense they are good buddies with Tim Cook

They should have had their people ask him a the Sea Island Fundraiser

I thinks it is the First Time Tim Cook has given Money to a Republican

4 posted on 03/11/2016 6:00:26 PM PST by scooby321
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To: jessduntno
Hilarious. Gang Din never carried this much water.

YOU are a know nothing and proud of it. I posted this and you have not even bothered to read it before you post a negative comment. What a tool, and a fool.

5 posted on 03/11/2016 6:00:38 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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I stopped after the string of probably’s, could’s, mights and possibly’s. Sorry, If I want fiction I’ll read Giles Goat Boy.


6 posted on 03/11/2016 6:09:06 PM PST by jessduntno ("Where the Hell do you put the bayonet?" - Gen. "Chesty" Puller, at a flamethrower demonstration.)
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To: Swordmaker

Is Obama really looking for a cash payoff for his retirement ?


7 posted on 03/11/2016 6:15:23 PM PST by butlerweave
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8 posted on 03/11/2016 6:22:59 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Facing Trump nomination inevitability, folks are now openly trying to help Hillary destroy him.)
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I stopped after the string of probably’s, could’s, mights and possibly’s. Sorry, If I want fiction I’ll read Giles Goat Boy.

Johnathan Zdziarski is an expert on cellular phone forensics and you dismiss his explanations as "fiction" just as you have anyone else you disagree with. You prefer ignorance.

Your lies are not believable. Let's examine your claim of a string of "probably’s, could’s, mights and possibly’s" you claim are strung together in this article which you say make it "fiction."

Your statement fails even the most cursory examination for truth. Therefore, you did not even read it before you condemned it as fiction. A lie.

You raise the claim of "fiction" that simply does NOT exist. Which again, as you have done before, makes you a liar. READ the article instead of making an assumption that makes only you look a fool.

You make this lying claim intending to denigrate the author and the article, to prevent OTHER people from reading it. YOU FAIL.

9 posted on 03/11/2016 6:25:34 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: jessduntno

The REALLY funny thing is this author is saying Apple is either lying or stupid.

Apple says it can meet the writs’ demands very cheaply LOL!


10 posted on 03/11/2016 6:30:31 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: Swordmaker

Sounds like the Gov has someone on the inside that isnt bright enough to do it. He/she will steal it.

Sorry feds. You are not that bright.


11 posted on 03/11/2016 6:35:53 PM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools. Go Trump!)
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Seems another good thread to post this picture:

To wit: TSA allows locking luggage IF they have the master key. Those are the master keys. Within hours of publication of that photo, uncontrolled unauthorized copies of those keys were produced - just from that picture. Now extrapolate that incident to cell phone security...

12 posted on 03/11/2016 6:36:30 PM PST by ctdonath2 (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. - Ike)
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“You make this lying claim intending to denigrate the author and the article, to prevent OTHER people from reading it. YOU FAIL.”

Oh no. That one stung.


13 posted on 03/11/2016 6:36:39 PM PST by jessduntno ("Where the Hell do you put the bayonet?" - Gen. "Chesty" Puller, at a flamethrower demonstration.)
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Huh? It’s not “very cheap”, and the greater point is that if done, iPhone security is rapidly & badly compromised. One surreptitious thumb drive and copy command (for which there will be INTENSE black-market pressure), and Apple’s secret “crown jewels” are practically public domain.


14 posted on 03/11/2016 6:39:03 PM PST by ctdonath2 (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. - Ike)
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“You prefer ignorance.”

Well ya got me there, sport. I’m still talking to you.


15 posted on 03/11/2016 6:40:04 PM PST by jessduntno ("Where the Hell do you put the bayonet?" - Gen. "Chesty" Puller, at a flamethrower demonstration.)
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Maybe if you demand they unlock it in a loud DI voice, everyone will do what you want! lol. Not everyone wants the childlike existence of a base for the entire nation, where everything falls under the control of a superior.


16 posted on 03/11/2016 6:47:12 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble mined asses overthrown,,,")
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F the government 😆😃😊
17 posted on 03/11/2016 6:47:15 PM PST by Mark17 (Thank God I have Jesus, there's more wealth in my soul than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold)
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Hilarious. Gunga Din never carried this much water.

So how many devices have performed a forensic examination on? How many forensic tools have you developed and had to defend in court? Please, give us your qualifications to provide an educated opinion on the article.

While I have never developed a new forensic tool, I have been a certified forensic examiner for 8 years, and have examined hundreds of systems in both criminal and employment (HR) cases. And I can assure you that what the author stated is exactly right. Even though I did not develop the tools I use, I still have to be able to explain how they work, show how the results were achieved, prove that the tool does not change any data, prove that the results can be replicated, provide copies of the raw data and the results to the defense, etc., etc. And the tools I use have had to go through the validation tests described by the author in order to be accepted by the court.

18 posted on 03/11/2016 6:47:52 PM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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So, the gov is requiring apple to create an “instrument” that will hold up in court via peer reviewed/tested forensic science methodologies, open the phone ( meaning extract all data, with a guarantee nonetheless of surety) and then give the gov the basic tool ( so it can be used at will by the gov) but later, Apple can detroy the tool if they wish etc.

In effect, apple, rather than simply imaging a phone under court order, now must in fact extract Evidence for the government and give them the means to so do later.

Will the gov give themselves warrants in order to use this tool later? So much for the 4th Amendment. If I were Apple, I would continue to refuse. I would offer to image the phone but nothing more. This is a blatant attempt at abuse and or usurpation of liberty.

All said, I support the leveraging of the data on th ephone for counter-terror purposes, just not by having a non gov entity be forced to do so and give the instrument to the government.


19 posted on 03/11/2016 6:49:12 PM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: ctdonath2

It’s about 150 grand- according to Apple: UP TO a ten man team with 6 to 8 programmers LESS THAN a month.
I agree there are great risks for the security of Apple’s Fourth Amendment destroying software’s security.

I’d like everyone to have ‘unbreakable’ encryption that can be opened by a valid Fourth Amendment warrant.
I like good security AND I like the Fourth Amendment.


20 posted on 03/11/2016 6:50:39 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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