Well, not really everybody:
Posted on 03/01/2016 9:23:45 AM PST by fishtank
Chinese Femur Refutes Human Evolution
by Brian Thomas, M.S. *
Evidence for Creation
Textbooks around the world contain the well-known illustration of walking apes transitioning into a modern human. I recently heard a college student, raised in a Christian home, say these pictures convinced her of evolution. She probably represents countless others swayed by this simplistic icon. But those willing to question the concept that man descended from apes can welcome the recent study of a discovery from China. It adds to the list of important finds that refute human evolution and its illustrations.
(Excerpt) Read more at icr.org ...
Make no argument because all arguments are false. Similarly, all models are false, some are useful. Useful to what is the question.
The basis for the activity is to organize the data in relational databases organized according to maximum likelihood estimates of functional or genetic similarity, and other measures of grouping.
The activity attracts and sometimes invites cranks to inject a godless view of humankind usually via some evolutionary argument channel. That is their purpose. In my world, I show them the door and blackball them from the labs and from the journals. They have no place in the arena.
As to followers of Christ, one must be careful, for again there is no uniform view and there are those that would impose dogma on others. But this activity has spiritual elements that are by and large helpful so their admissibility may be considered.
There is ample evidence that a God/Christ filled mind is a relaxed fertile mind and a relaxed mind is a productive mind, one that is steeped in ethics and so follows a path leading to positive outcomes. Therefore, Christians and Jews who are devout and educated in their faith are in general welcome in the labs and in journals along with secular unbelievers who eschew dogma.
I have a problem with Muslims. I have educated many Muslims and some have shown true promise. But those in the majority are frustrated or incompetent, tending more often than not to blame ‘the system’ and the faculty for prejudice and so forth. Upon inquiry, this attitude stems from an indoctrination of Islamic teaching. Such has no place in science, at least not in my corner of it.
The jury is out on Creationists. They have the same problems. Some are truly talented and provide great insight. Others seek data to justify their preconceived conclusions.
Within all these groups; secular, religious, evolutionistic, creationist, dogmatist, there is a subset of humans with personality and behavioral problems that manifest in self-organizing around like individuals that have achieved a hand on some lever of financing and who are leading their cause. Their products are toxic.
I do not believe the Earth is ~6000 years old. I believe the scripture of Adam living 930 years was referencing from his expulsion from immortality. His time pre-expulsion could have been 1 year or a billion years, it is unknown. Therefore, creationists who read scripture and try to extrapolate all their findings from an unverified anchor point of 6000 years are in error. However, it is always good to question all methods of dating and indeed radio-carbon dating has undergone scrutiny and found to come up short. It is always good to question everything in science, even that which is established, especially if it is derived from human inference, even statistically designed inference.
Belief in Christ is a meditation that attempts to meld one’s human spirit with His. It is a personal relationship that need not be advertised or broadcast in the lab, or in publications except as a momentary prayer of meditation beginning and ending the day or the manuscript, or at any time when conducted in silence as long as it does not hamper work timelines. If the melding is successful, the scientific path of inquiry can be extremely clear. The work and questions become cleaner and less subject to distraction because the purpose has already been set. Few are able to achieve this but many great ones in history have. That is not to say it should be made a selection criterion for science workers, rather it should be absent from rejection criterion.
Beware of toxic social forces that encourage conflict between evolutionists and creationists, or encourage one to be a cheerleader for one or the other. There’s always a human trait to want one’s chosen team to win, to support the home team. This is anathema to science. Very good science has been achieved in solitude, in prayerful meditation. Other heroic achievements in science have occurred without attaching to dogma but driven to solve a problem that wins something.
No matter how much “human evolution” is proved false, the American people with relatively few exceptions will still want to believe in it.
Good point, I haven't heard it expressed that way before.
Is it actually telling us that the pinnacle of human evolution is Kris Kristofferson.
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Kris once landed a helicopter at Johnny Cash’s home so Cash would listen to some of his songs. It worked. Now he enjoys his wealth in Hawaii instead of doing something totally unpleasant like running for president. Perhaps he is the pinnacle.
This article is a total and intentional misrepresentation of evolutionary theory. Evolution is not best represented by a “ladder” but as a tree. Fore one species of human to evolve into another does by no means require the others to die off. Both Homo Erectus and Neanderthal coexisted with Homo Sapiens. Red Deer Cave people and the so called Hobbits are examples. During most of the approximately seven million years since our linage last had a common ancestor with today’s apes, there have been more than one species ancestral to ourselves in existence. The fact that many of us have Neanderthal genes as a result of long past interbreeding is illustrative of that.
It is a shame the Creationists at ICR have to lie to support their claims. Maybe it’s because their conclusions come before their research. Oh, by the way, how come they spend all their time attacking other people’s work rather than doing their own?
I do not question how or why. God did it and one day he will tell us......or not, I am not concerned one way or the other. I am just a believer in God and Jesus Christ. The Lords will be done . Amen!
They're easy enough to find, and simply illustrate that science itself is a bit more complex than the simple drawing in post #1 above suggests.
Well, not really everybody:
You and I seem to have much in common, then.
I’ve accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and I believe in God, the Father. My faith does not turn or hinge on whatever new thing that science may or may not discover or reveal.
In that I personally don’t care if the earth was created 6,000 years ago or 20 billion years ago. No matter what the case may turn out to be I will sing for the joy that knowing Jesus can bring and I will let the joybells ring because my search has ended and I HAVE FOUND A KING!!!!
Poo pew.
Seriously, I can’t base my attitudes on how different religious groups line up on the issue.
What do all those different groups think about these issues:
- sin
-sickness
-death
- God’s holiness
-Jesus’s miracles
- Jesus payment for our sin ???
Remember, those graphs were posted in response to Theodore R.'s assertion that "American people with relatively few exceptions will still want to believe in" evolution.
Those graphs show that large numbers of Americans do not believe in evolution, especially the version of evolution theory which denies a Plan and Guidance from God.
Indeed, the first graph in post #68 shows that over that past 30 years, at most only 15% believe in a totally godless version of evolution.
fishtank: "What do all those different groups think about these issues:"
Obviously, some have very different ideas while others share 90+% of your beliefs.
But those graphs are only there to show that not everybody believes in godless evolution.
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