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Posted on 02/20/2016 10:09:42 PM PST by Swordmaker
According to Bloomberg News, the White House convened a secret meeting around Thanksgiving, after agreeing not to seek legislation to force companies to install backdoors in mobile devices that encrypt data, to work secretly to do it through other means.
Apparently, "other means" may include what we are seeing with the Apple v. FBI Court Order.
Link only due to copyright concerns:
Secret Memo Details U.S.'s Broader Strategy to Crack Phones.
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"To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last - but eat you he will." --Ronald Reagan
Creepy article. One question. Most people back up the iphones to icloud. I get the phone passcode on the handset, but how secure is the data on the cloud? How does that work?
If the FBI, Dept. of Justice (and the White House, aka the Red House), wanted to get serious with Apple over their refusal to help uncode an Islamic mass murderer’s cell phone, then let them try this.
Under the 1916/1917 US Code section on Treason and Sedition (I don’t have it in front of me), there is a section regarding “aiding and abetting an enemy” in a time of war or peace.
I would love to see Apple’s head traitor, Tim Scott, perp-walked into a local city jail (he’d get a lot of boyfriends real fast).
Also, since Al Qaeda and ISIS have both declared war against the US, even if we don’t officially (by vote of Congress), declare war against the, a “state of war” between them and us exists in reality (and this was recognized to some degree in Vietnam War court cases up to both District and I believe, Circuit Court levels.
The US Government could “seize” the whole Apple operation for impeding the “war effort”. It was done during WW2 when labor strikes got out of hand or the management of a company failed to produce according to the terms of their war contracts with the govt.
While the Supreme Court shot down Truman’s attempt to seize the steel industries during the Korean War, Korea was not a “declared war”, only a UN ‘police action’.
Today, “declared wars” are not going to happen so some courts will recognize a “de facto state of war to exist” where an enemy has declared it and we are fighting a counter-war (not a damned police/FBI) action against them.
It is time that our businesses pick a side, ours or the enemies (if only by omission or commission), and pay the penalty for hurting our ability to defend ourselves and protect our troops and citizens from open warfare or terrorism.
In Apple’s case and their sleazy defense of “defending the rights to privacy of their customers”, screw Apple. This has nothing to do with the “rights of the customers” and Apple knows it, or is Tim Scott really that stupid? I doubt it. He’s a doublecrossing traitor and should pay the price for his “aiding and abetting our enemies”.
I prefer a firing squad for treason and “aiding and abetting”, but then again, I’m an old fashioned America patriot.
Here's the description I have. Your data on your iPhone, iPad, or to her iOS device is encrypted. When it is backed up to the iCloud, it is still encrypted. Apple does not have your encryption key, so they cannot see decipher it.
The data when they receive it is anonymized with a code assigned to you, split into four parts, combined with other data from other iCloud users, and then RE-ENCRYPTED again to a 256 bit AES standard to which Apple DOES have the key. When you need your data, it is decrypted, extracted from the combined packages, recombined, and then downloaded back to you in its still encrypted form, where you can decipher it with your key.
If the Authorities request anything with a search warrant on what you've stored in your iCloud, Apple will dutifully collect what they have from you and hand them a copy of your data file in the encrypted form. In other words, a large file of gobble-de-gook they can spend eons trying to decipher, because they don't have your key.
If you are using one of the older iOS versions there will be some clear text, pictures, and email in your account the would have to hand over, but less than 10% of Apple customers are till on those antique operating systems.
Does this answer your question?
Nice fascist response. But apple hasn’t aided and abetted anyone. All they did was build a nice secure product. The government has a search warrant and may search to their hearts content. But they may not force a company to invent software and hardware to help them execute their warrant.
If they have a warrant to search a bank vault, they can get out tools, blowtorches and drills and get to work. But they may not force the safe builder to come down and defeat the safe for them. Its very basic.
As for the breathless argument that we are in a war, and the FBI is working like Jack Bauer and only wants to save the country? Again, no dice.
This same FBI ignores detailed information about the Boston bombers. They discipline a woman who pointed out the 9/11 hijackers. They LET the San Bernardino terrorist into the country even though she had detailed jihadi crap on her damned facebook page!
They let major Hassan email to senior Al Qeida leadership, and PROMOTED him.
They deem Paul voters, constitution lovers, vets and anyone with a Gadsden flag as a terrorist. They support the Black lives matter, Saint Michael Brown, and every thug in America. They didn’t arrest anyone over IRS conducting political investigations of TEA. They did nothing against planned parenthood.
They prosecuted NOBODY for fast and furious and were COMPLICIT in it. Hillary wont be prosecuted. They are fully and hopelessly corrupt and side with the moslems at every turn.
They PURGED their own training courses of anything suggesting moslems are a terror threat.
And now im supposed to get all wrapped around the axle about giving THEM what THEY say they need, and its all sincerely to keep me safe? I want whatever dope you’re smoking.
Did I just stumble into Democrat Underground? Sure seems like it. That was the stupidest screed I have had the misfortune to ever read on FreeRepublic. "Tim Scott"? Who in hell is he? You are so ignorant of what you speak you don't even know the names of the main players.
Apple HAS been assisting the FBI and the DOJ on this case since early January, you idiot.
If you had even an inkling of what's been going on, the FBI and the DOJ SCREWED the POOCH by not bringing Apple in earlier.
The FBI had the San Bernardino County Department of Health IT department CHANGE THE APPLE ID on the iPhone less than 24 hours after they seized it, accidentally locking out one of the means Apple could have used to get the data out!
Today, "declared wars" are not going to happen so some courts will recognize a "de facto state of war to exist" where an enemy has declared it and we are fighting a counter-war (not a damned police/FBI) action against them.
COURTS do not get to declare war, no matter how much you may want them to! Your name is correct, you are insane if you think any court could declare "a defect state of war to exist" so you can arrest Americans you don't like.
SHEESH! Why not just let Obama declare himself President for life (Hell, why not go all the way and go for a coronation?) and do what ever else he wants, using his pet judges order anything else that is extra-Constitutional like this Court order forcing American's to produce what ever his Royal Highness's Government wants to further their needs.
Yes, amazing. And thank god someone cares about this enough in a control freak government world.
I am not swayed by the argument that someone who floods the country with terrorists, is also needing to look at all my data to keep me safe.
You don’t get to create the danger, and then tell me what I must do to help you protect me from the danger you are still creating.
That is straight Mafia.
And that is an elegant solution. For extra credit right now, they have they guys number, they already know every single number he called and can knock on doors and deport who needs it. I bet half of them have jihadi crap on their facebook page.
Well,, I sure feel sorry for that Tim Scott guy.
Long before you were born, I was working with the FBI to uncover both domestic communists control of the anti-Vietnam Movement as well as finding some Soviet contacts they had. I also did a little undercover work on the Nazis/KKK, then took on( on my own as a journalist), PLO supporters, Kaddafi supporters, two KGB assets in the US media, a security risk first on a Representative’s staff, then on Sen. John Kerry’s staff, and inbetween that uncovered unknown domestic revolts in No. Vietnam during the war ( by talking with senior NVA defectors, asking questions no one else had, and getting very interesting answers). In addition, I was the catalyst for our intell guys in discovering a No. Vietnamese heroin smuggler train operation bringing dope down from either northern No. Vietnam or Red China &(Yunnan Province) for shipment into So. Vietnam.
I don’t recall seeing you out in the boondocks. If you served, great. I respect that. If not, stop sounding an old John Bircher from the 50’s.
There are a lot of great FBI agents out there, risking their lives all over the world. It is the leadership that has been pisspoor since the death of Hoover, and most recently, they have been politically neutered in many ways.
That is the fault of Congress in letting Comrade Obama get away with the destruction of our intelligence organizations.
I didn’t see you where I was either. And besides anyone can say anything. And Hoover was a blackmailing homo, that’s a fact. And the FBI is infested with PC crap and is 100% in bed with the moslems. The FBI is in bed with .gov in its efforts to flood the country with terrorists. Howzabout just be honest and break into my house, then come try to sell me some iron bars.
You may like a modern Stasi but I don’t. The Stasi existed about 40 years. Currently the government collects the equivalent to the ENTIRE Stasi database every two days. In the entire history of humanity, no government has ever been so intrusive. I am glad apple is standing in their path and has the public backing and money to fight them.
The neighbors all knew the San Berdoo murderers were up to no good, but nobody called. Why? Because they correctly assessed that THEY would be the ones in trouble. People aren’t stupid. The hive mind is well aware of where the Bureau stands, and it isn’t alongside the American people.
Sentimental BS aside, it matters not a whit that a few FBI agents might be good people, because their agency is now hopelessly corrupted and has exhausted all trust.
As for a john bircher,,, why thank you!
Appreciate the valid points that you and the other anti-Fascist posters are making. One of the features of Fascism is tight control of business. The Fascist govt will make eavesdropping run on time.
It appears that the govt is just waving a shiny object to distract the public from focusing on their (politically correct) serial failures in keeping us secure. We need gun control and cell phone control but not religion of peace control. /s
> Currently the government collects the equivalent to the ENTIRE Stasi database every two days. In the entire history of humanity, no government has ever been so intrusive.
Data collection without a warrant has no bearing whatsoever on the legitimate need for the information on this one particular device. Data collection without a warrant can not be tolerated.
> I am glad apple is standing in their path and has the public backing and money to fight them.
Will you be glad when terrorists using cipher coordinate their actions and slaughter your friends or family? The next 9/11? A nuke?
There is a balance required. This is not a case of indiscriminate data collection, which is an issue separate and distinct from this issue and which has no bearing in this case. The issue in this case is the legitimate need to information on a particular device, information which could help identify the terrorists accomplices, and time is of the essence. There is no legitimate reason for Apple to not render all assistance necessary to retrieval of the data on this device.
Injecting objections to indiscriminate data collection without a warrant is a diversion. It is a strawman.
Very well said, thank you.
Huh, time is of the essence. IIRC the hearing on the 35 page filing is scheduled in a month. If that is what the court thinks is a timely response to the issue then there is hyper-ventilating going on.
Has the govt prosecuted its employee who tampered with the evidence and prevented Apple from providing the data derived from a Cloud copy. It’s not Apple’s fault that our highly compensated govt employees screw up.
> IIRC the hearing on the 35 page filing is scheduled in a month.
It doesn’t change the fact the time is of the essence. But it’s been how many months now? The trail is cold. So let’s let it get colder.
> prevented Apple from providing the data derived from a Cloud copy
The cloud backup is encrypted. A pwd change does not change that fact.
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