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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Nice fascist response. But apple hasn’t aided and abetted anyone. All they did was build a nice secure product. The government has a search warrant and may search to their hearts content. But they may not force a company to invent software and hardware to help them execute their warrant.

If they have a warrant to search a bank vault, they can get out tools, blowtorches and drills and get to work. But they may not force the safe builder to come down and defeat the safe for them. Its very basic.

As for the breathless argument that we are in a war, and the FBI is working like Jack Bauer and only wants to save the country? Again, no dice.
This same FBI ignores detailed information about the Boston bombers. They discipline a woman who pointed out the 9/11 hijackers. They LET the San Bernardino terrorist into the country even though she had detailed jihadi crap on her damned facebook page!
They let major Hassan email to senior Al Qeida leadership, and PROMOTED him.
They deem Paul voters, constitution lovers, vets and anyone with a Gadsden flag as a terrorist. They support the Black lives matter, Saint Michael Brown, and every thug in America. They didn’t arrest anyone over IRS conducting political investigations of TEA. They did nothing against planned parenthood.

They prosecuted NOBODY for fast and furious and were COMPLICIT in it. Hillary wont be prosecuted. They are fully and hopelessly corrupt and side with the moslems at every turn.
They PURGED their own training courses of anything suggesting moslems are a terror threat.

And now im supposed to get all wrapped around the axle about giving THEM what THEY say they need, and its all sincerely to keep me safe? I want whatever dope you’re smoking.


7 posted on 02/20/2016 11:38:32 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: DesertRhino

Long before you were born, I was working with the FBI to uncover both domestic communists control of the anti-Vietnam Movement as well as finding some Soviet contacts they had. I also did a little undercover work on the Nazis/KKK, then took on( on my own as a journalist), PLO supporters, Kaddafi supporters, two KGB assets in the US media, a security risk first on a Representative’s staff, then on Sen. John Kerry’s staff, and inbetween that uncovered unknown domestic revolts in No. Vietnam during the war ( by talking with senior NVA defectors, asking questions no one else had, and getting very interesting answers). In addition, I was the catalyst for our intell guys in discovering a No. Vietnamese heroin smuggler train operation bringing dope down from either northern No. Vietnam or Red China &(Yunnan Province) for shipment into So. Vietnam.

I don’t recall seeing you out in the boondocks. If you served, great. I respect that. If not, stop sounding an old John Bircher from the 50’s.

There are a lot of great FBI agents out there, risking their lives all over the world. It is the leadership that has been pisspoor since the death of Hoover, and most recently, they have been politically neutered in many ways.

That is the fault of Congress in letting Comrade Obama get away with the destruction of our intelligence organizations.


11 posted on 02/20/2016 11:53:34 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: DesertRhino

Appreciate the valid points that you and the other anti-Fascist posters are making. One of the features of Fascism is tight control of business. The Fascist govt will make eavesdropping run on time.

It appears that the govt is just waving a shiny object to distract the public from focusing on their (politically correct) serial failures in keeping us secure. We need gun control and cell phone control but not religion of peace control. /s


13 posted on 02/21/2016 12:32:49 AM PST by DuhYup
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To: DesertRhino

Very well said, thank you.


15 posted on 02/21/2016 12:44:05 AM PST by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo.)
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To: DesertRhino; MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Nice fascist response. But apple hasn't aided and abetted anyone.

OTOH, if the federal government has already illegally acquired the data they crave by other means, such as NSA capturing the actual voice, text and email data, rather than merely the metadata, Apple would be aiding and abetting that felony by providing the NSA with cover to conceal their crime, and enabling them to illicitly use tainted evidence in a trial.

56 posted on 02/21/2016 4:30:35 PM PST by null and void (This is "They live", and most people would rather fight you than put on the glasses...)
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