Posted on 02/20/2016 8:52:39 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
Now Donald Trump is questioning Marco Rubio' eligibility for the presidency.
In a tweet Saturday, Trump shared a video of what appears to be an attorney making a bizarre case that not only Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who was born in Canada, but Rubio, whose parents immigranted from Cuba, is not eligible to become president.
In the tweet to his 6.3 million followers, Trump quoted a message sent to him by another Twitter user, who at the time appeared to have five followers: "@realDonaldTrump Mr. Trump...BOTH Cruz AND Rubio are ineligible to be POTUS! It's a SLAM DUNK CASE!! Check it!"
The tweet links to a video on the website of the Powdered Whig Society, a group that says it is dedicated "to the restoration and strict obedience to the United States Constitution."
The 12-minute video shows an unidentified woman who is purported to be a litigation attorney describe what it means to be a natural born citizen. She argues that both Rubio and Cruz are citizens, but not "natural born citizens" according to the Constitution, which says only natural born citizens may become president.
Rubio was born in Miami. That makes him a natural born U.S. citizen under the Constitution. But the unnamed woman in the video Trump posted says he is not a "naturalized citizen," because his citizenship is defined under Section 1 of the 14th Amendment. If not for this "man-made law," she says Rubio would have been born a "resident alien," the same status of his parents, both of whom were Cuban nationals.
The supposed attorney later goes on to call Congress using laws to change the original text of the Constitution as "ridiculous."
"In order to understand the genuine meaning of a text, we must use the definition the framer's use, otherwise texts become like Play-Doh. They mean whatever you want them to mean to get the outcome you want," she says.
Cruz, who was born in Canada to father who was a Cuban national and an American mother. Some legal scholars says that leaves his eligibility to run for president in question. But the supposed attorney makes a far more questionable case. She argues that when the Constitution was written, a woman's legal identity was subsumed into her husband's. That would also disqualify Cruz, she says, because it is necessary that he be born of a father who is a citizen.
When the Constitution was written in the 1780s, the purported attorney says all the framers knew what a natural born citizen was, using a definition provided in Swiss philosopher and legal expert Emerich de Vattel's book on political philosophy The Law of Nations. In it, she says, a child's status as a citizen is defined as being inherited from the father, and that it does not matter where the child is born.
Like his eye color, citizenship is "inherited by his parents, it's in his blood," she says. "Not an act of Congress."
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So it’s not the candidate who must be born in the USA, it’s the candidates PARENTS who must also be born here.
Utter garbage. The need to defend every stupid thing Trump says is turning into a mental illness.
This video is the argument of the constitutionists lead by Justice Scalio. Either you are a conservative and support the constitution as he did or not.
Tell me, in your world is the 16th amendment as sacrosanct a part of the Constitution as the Natural Born Citizen clause?
Do you have this kind of religious devotion to the 16th Amendment?
Trump is making a very serious point, albeit in his usual colorful ways. There is no agreed upon definition of Natural Born Citizen. Rubio and Cruz have totally different birth circumstances from each other, and Obama’s is different than those. So let’s get it settled once and for all, before we find ourselves with something crazy like the US and some other country having the same President.
Both Trump’s parents were citizens of the United State when he was born.Interestingly, 4 out of 5 of Trump's (known) children are not NBC according to your definition.
I guess the good thing is that all but eliminates the possibility of a Trump dynasty.
But it does raise the question of Trump's fidelity and loyalty to the United States when he marries non-citizens and produces non NBC children.
Amendment XVI
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
Finally!!!!
Now win South Carolina big time so everyone knows you don’t need to get then disqualified on eligibilty grounds to win.
And then sue both Cruz and Rubio on eligibility getting the courts to finally rule and define “natural born citizen”. Then as President put a requirement in to check eligibility before getting on any ballot for federal office.
Finally!!!!
Now win South Carolina big time so everyone knows you don’t need to get then disqualified on eligibilty grounds to win.
And then sue both Cruz and Rubio on eligibility getting the courts to finally rule and define “natural born citizen”. Then as President put a requirement in to check eligibility before getting on any ballot for federal office.
I have honestly never understood why anyone thinks Rubio is eligible. Neither, as in NEITHER, of his parents were citizens at the time of his birth. He is an American citizen, of course, due to the current interpretation of birthright citizenship. This makes him, what we call in impolitic company, an anchor baby. That his parents were here with permission is of no moment here...the requirement is CITIZENSHIP, natural or naturalized, but citizenship it is. And “of the soil,” which he does have.
Not one bit different from the 9,398,798 or so anchor babies that we already have in this place.
In case you don’t think this is a big deal, just wait until one of them is in the White Hut and decides to use the monument act to put California off limits, and then hands it back to Mexico. lol
Rubio, that’s what you get for helping Trump with his “Cruz lied” lies.
Scorpions gotta sting; it’s in their nature.
Shooting from the lip and followed by lemmings who think that a series of one-liners is a substitute for policy?
Obviously not. Look at the current inhabitant.
It’s not from Trump. It’s from a constitutionist. One who supports the constitution. Obviously you put your candidate before the constitution.
Let's Put an End to this Birther Nonsense about Ted Cruz
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It never says that the father has to be a citizen of the United States at the time the child is born. All it says is that citizenship "shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States." It is indisputable that Rafael Cruz was in the United States for a period of time prior to both Ted's birth and his marriage to native born American citizen Eleanor Elizabeth Darragh Wilson in 1969. He fled Cuba in 1957 at the age of 18, arriving in Texas. There, he attended the University of Texas, graduating with a degree in mathematics in 1961. He even married his first wife there, Julia Ann Garza, in 1959. They later divorced, but not before he had two daughters with her. He was also granted political asylum in 1961 upon his graduation from UT.
In other words, Ted Cruz's birth meets everything required in this 1790 act. His mother, Eleanor Wilson, was a citizen by birth in the United States, fulfilling the requirement of a child being born to at least one citizen, and his father had lived in the United States for years and been granted political asylum here prior to his move to Canada."..
“Those who would thumb their noses at the constitution in order to support a political figure are certainly not conservatives....”
Amen! It is a perversion of the 14th amendment to give citizenship to the offspring of TWO ILLEGAL ALIENS just because Mama dropped it on our soil.
JACKPOT Babies and the 14th Amendment
Let’s make this simple, so even the masses can understand it:
The 14th amendment was passed shortly after the Civil War and emancipation solely for the purpose to give citizenship to slaves born on our soil. It didn’t even give citizenship to NATIVE AMERICANS and aliens are not given that right in this amendment! Slavery was abolished 150 plus years ago.
There are no children being born to slaves. There are NO slaves (Well, except you and me!)
The 14th needs REPEALED because it no longer relevant!
Okay! And that is ‘Trump Simple’ Logic!
The wonderful Terry Anderson referred to these illegal offspring citizens of the current bastardization of the 14th amendment as “Jackpot Babies”. He was right!
“Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.******* This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, **********who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”
Senator Jacob Howard,
co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
Teddy and the Cruzers, trying to change the subject again. What the heck do Trump’s income tax returns have to do with whether or not Cruz is a Natural Born Citizen?
In case your really meant the 14th Amendment, it does not change or modify the term “natural-born citizen”. Note: it only says “citizen”.
Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
Do you worship at the feet of the founders who drafted the 16th Amendment? Do you venerate their original intent?
It is THE CONSTITUTION, isn’t it?
No I meant the 16th!
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