Posted on 02/19/2016 5:07:38 PM PST by rpierce
The Apple ID passcode for the San Bernardino shooter's iPhone was changed less than 24 hours after authorities took possession of the device, a senior Apple executive said today.
And Apple could have recovered information from the phone had the Apple ID passcode not been changed, Apple said.
If the phone was taken to a location where it recognized the Wi-Fi network, such as the San Bernardino shooters' home, it could have been backed up to the cloud, Apple suggested. ... The auto reset was executed by a county information technology employee, according to a federal official. Federal investigators only found out about the reset after it had occurred and that the county employee acted on his own, not on the orders of federal authorities, the source said.
(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...
Apple SHOULD have responded, “Sure. We will do what we can to crack the current encryption: When in OUR possession, in OUR labs and under OUR controls. We will then GLADLY return the non-encrypted phone to the FBI. After which, the process will be destroyed and no further customer need worry about any ‘back-door’, 4th Amendment infringements.â€
Apple Secures their property, judge is satisfied, FBI would have the data they requested and the FBI wouldn’t have SQUAT to further abuse the 4th for the rest of us.
I have long lost the trust of ANY govt to do anything for the benefit of The People, let alone voluntarily say “Whoa!†when trampling upon our Rights. I can think of NO slippery-slope that is not a full-on free-fall.
So what is the stop some programmer or executive douche bag at Apple getting a hold of that code and then selling it, nothing
I have an idea. Apple Bills the government for doing their job. Perhaps 100B would be sufficient. Let’s see that should cover CIA, NSA, NRO...
After all the government has probably spent 100m on payroll for the people working the case so far. Seems to me they have better things to do...
Exactly why is it the manufacturers job to make its device less safe?
How about I tell you as a pickup truck driver that your vehicle is too safe on the road and it needs to have strategic points cut into the frame so it can be flattened like smaller cars? Oh you want to use your truck for your business and haul heavy loads and get stuff safely to and from the job site? Tough.
Trump is 100% wrong here.
It’s not for industry to make their products weaker it’s actually just the opposite. Apple has a commitment to lock their phones up tight.
You people have no idea of the bigger picture of what this represents to the broader world. The NSA, CIA exist for this reason. If they can’t get the data why do they exist? Newsflash... The NSA CAN. More so the NSA to break codes. It just takes resources.
What if every country, or should I say when every country comes calling to Apple with the same requests and dissidents, and others disappear or are murdered, then what you want to blame Apple? Well people WILL, and that will hurt their business, and product reputation, and will tarnish the brand.
Well screw that! The government has lost my personal data 3 times in the last 2 years, and had to send me oops letters. And we want them having more I’m.dge or capability, so that it can fall into Chinese hands?
These fools in our government had the knowledge and information on these people and they let it happen. They opted not to act on multiple occasion. What could they possibly have on the phone that isn’t already available via metadata? And call logs?
People just don’t understand what this means.
“Still, I tend to not blame diabolical evil when simple incompetence or human error is a reasonable explanation. :)”
yep,
Good ol’ Hanlon’s razor!
“Sure. That makes a lot more sense than the possibility that the County IT guy reset it through the cell phone network. “
I guess if you’d bothered to read the entire ABC News article I posted, you’d have seen that both Apple and the FBI admitted that the FBI did in face change the password.
Now why would he do that?
This is not making sense.
“...The Justice Department acknowledged in its court filing that the password of Syed Farook’s iCloud account had been reset. The filing states, “the owner [San Bernardino County Department of Public Health], in an attempt to gain access to some information in the hours after the attack, was able to reset the password remotely, but that had the effect of eliminating the possibility of an auto-backup.”
He reset the password but does not have the reset password? I hope he was sweating some good sized bullets by the time the FBI reamed him a new one.
Don't be so modest. If they're lying about it, they're doing it through technical arguments in front of millions of computer programmers and IT professionals. Yet, out of all of those highly trained professionals, only you - you alone - have the expertise to understand that a quick 15 minute fix is all that is required.
Why, you're literally the next Steve Jobs, Bill Gates himself, right here on FR.
You know the Jews in the 1930s didn’t think it was illegal to simply be Jewish and weren’t too afraid when IBM help the Nazis to start tracking them all over the place. Anyone familiar with history knows that eventually being Jewish became illegal and 6 million Jews were murdered. Are you cool with that? It is a perfect example of law and order.
Would you have been the first dumbass in line at a Nazi Jew registration center because you have nothing to hide?
“I can understand why you don’t like it. It’s OK.”
I’m relieved.
I could spend one week writing encryption program that the beds would never be able to decrypt, I guarantee you it isn’t that hard.
Absolutely! And if the Bureau guys did not inform the Magistrate Judge, with whom they made the filing, then their agenda is even more suspect.
The big thing about digital evidence is to provide an iron clad record that the data was not modified once that evidence came into federal control. The county IT guy modified the phone.
Doesn't matter who the idiot was who made the problem worse. he was a government worker bureaucrat.
If this doesn't nail the incompetence, irresponsibility, unaccountability AND DOWNRIGHT CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE OF GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, NOTHING EVER WILL!
The government is all powerful, and assertions are flying IN ALL DIRECTIONS that every protection of the Constitution and BILL of RIGHTS can be cancelled with the only requirement being a search warrant or order issued by a Federal Judge. How many corrupt Federal Judges have been identified in the last 50 years?
Who issued this particular order against APPLE?
We better find out ASAP!
I hate APPLE because they are overpriced and have always maintained closed systems. As far as user security is concerned, that turned out to be a good thing, specially when it's hard, seriously, to decide whether the greatest threat to our security and safety is external (koranimals) or internal (our own arrogant government.)
It's frightening to see the individuals and groups who are siding with an overreaching government on this issue. That most of our elected criminal legislators also agree, nails it for me.
Whether I hate APPLE or not, I am 100% supporting them on this one! Any way I can.Who do you trust more at this point? Apple or the IRS,CIA,NSA,BLM,COE,NIH, etc etc?
As recent experience with the fake president's regime has PROVEN, leadership an bureaucrats are corrupt and incompetent at best and treasonous against their country and oath of office at worse.
In a sane universe, the FBI's court plea against Apple should be laughed out of court. If an uncorrupted one can be found.
Why is our National Legislature sitting on their hands on this?
Thanks. I’m so confused. Didn’t Apple say that they could have gotten the data off the cloud if the password had not been changed?
So since the pw was changed, no one can access the cloud to get the data.
I am getting one of my rare headaches like when we discuss natural born citizens.
Besides the headaches, this is why I love FR when we are killing each other over Trump or Cruz.
I am not understanding your comment here.
Apple should refuse. Tell them to have the guy that last changed the password to open it up.
Add Billy Dale to that list of innocent people the Clinton’s had investigated, and charged by the FBI and DOJ.
You know that doesn't make any sense, don't you?
That is because you think you are smart enough to understand the entire security protocol. I certainly don't pretend to.
But Apple has already hinted, stupidly, how it is tied to the owner's most used IP.
Personally I don't want to know.
I just hope APPLE prevails.
>>>”THIS ONE PHONE..”
You’re disagreeing with this part then”
“In the wrong hands, this software — which does not exist today — would have the potential to unlock any iPhone in someone’s physical possession.”
“People just don’t understand what this means.”
Clearly, SOME don’t.
The 4th amendment was written to catch or include in a search, people who are hiding something that can not be garnered by other than a search of their persons or effects. It was written that way intentionally.. Pedophiles with thousands of pictures. Cartels making distribution plans. Mass murdering terrorists plotting with other cells...stuff like that. It was to protect the citizen singular from an unreasonable or warrant less search and to protect citizens at large from those who planned bad thins. Farook and his pistol packing mama did some pretty bad things. No one complained when they ripped through their computers. This is no different. Just harder because of the lockout that some believe, myself included, should be done in such a way that only SPECIFIC phones can be opened. Such as this phone, for which there is a specific warrant for the informatio non this phone only...
What goes unmentioned is the various hacker groups that now break in and damage corporations for sport.
What happens if one of these hacker groups gets the keys to Apple’s products?
They could render iPhones extinct in weeks.
Maybe that’s a bit much, but that’s my fear.
We have an incredible product out there, whether it be Apple or any of the smart phone manufacturers.
If the FBI gets the full info, it will be stolen. (or gifted)
That’s why I’m playing hard-ball here.
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