Posted on 02/19/2016 5:07:38 PM PST by rpierce
The Apple ID passcode for the San Bernardino shooter's iPhone was changed less than 24 hours after authorities took possession of the device, a senior Apple executive said today.
And Apple could have recovered information from the phone had the Apple ID passcode not been changed, Apple said.
If the phone was taken to a location where it recognized the Wi-Fi network, such as the San Bernardino shooters' home, it could have been backed up to the cloud, Apple suggested. ... The auto reset was executed by a county information technology employee, according to a federal official. Federal investigators only found out about the reset after it had occurred and that the county employee acted on his own, not on the orders of federal authorities, the source said.
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You mean like the one that say:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I'm kinda thinking the Judge knows about that one.
Why isn’t the FBI taking the County IT department to court and force them to unlock the iPhone? /sarc
It was wrong.
See post #60:
I'm not a fan of Apple but they are right. If Apple "creates software" to hack this phone, the FBI or "some other agency" will subpoena it afterwards despite the FBI's assurances (note that they cannot make agreements enforceable on any other agencies). When the FBI or other agency obtains it by subpoena, since it now exists, it will be on the internet within hours.
The Feds do not have the moral, ethical, or professional standards to protect anything. If some employee doesn't sell it, some slack-jawed self proclaimed IT expert will allow it to be hacked and stolen.
Was his name Abdul?
According to police and witnesses and families and friends: 15 innocent people were killed and a warrant was issued to get as much information as possible about the murdering scumbags who did.
They weren't expecting "sorry we can't hep you" as an answer, especially with that whole 4th amendment thing and all aside from it would have been something MOST companies would have done. And I'm sorry, but they were just being asked to defeat the destruction feature by removing the number of times the password could be tried on THIS ONE PHONE. Not exactly a national threat to keeping pictures of your dog humping your Uncle Ernie's leg form going public.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Ischmael Tech....IT
Let’s not introduce facts or truth into a thread about the FBI.
“BOYCOTT APPLE!!! Trump is right!! Get that data on that one phone or send them to jail!!”
Why are you aligning yourself with statist, socialist, overbearing douche bags?
“FBI wouldn’t have SQUAT to further abuse the 4th for the rest of us.”
Any time they want to crack your phone, they cite precedent, it was done in March 2016, so please obey this court order to crack i_robot’s phone. We know you can do it now.
“but a $500 phone is impregnable to the Nation’s top investigative agencies, is ludicrous”It is if it has a world-class encryption system built in it and any attempt to brute force attack it results in it being disabled (which is what the fibbies are wanting Apple modify on the phone so they can attack it, or anyone else's iphone with their sophisticated techniques and technologies).
My reading of the Judge's order allows them to do exactly that. It specifically says that Apple may keep the phone at an Apple facility.
We will then GLADLY return the non-encrypted phone to the FBI. After which, the process will be destroyed and no further customer need worry about any 'back-door', 4th Amendment infringements."
The judges order also says that the firmware change will be specific to that phone's serial number. Presumably this is intended to allay concerns that it can be used on other phones.
Apple secures their property, judge is satisfied, FBI would have the data they requested and the FBI wouldn’t have SQUAT to further abuse the 4th for the rest of us.
I believe that is the deal the FBI is seeking, and the deal to which they would agree if Apple would simply ask for clarification from the Judge instead of making this into a bogey man tin-foil-hat circus.
I have long lost the trust of ANY govt to do anything for the benefit of The People, let alone voluntarily say "Whoa!" when trampling upon our Rights.
I don't trust them either, but the branch generally regarded as most trustworthy at securing rights protected under the US Constitution is the Judiciary.
But the court doesn’t have any bill of the under the lot to do so
Management and Lawyers are telling us it can't, but that does not make it true.
Just imagine the gigantic consulting fee you could charge them, and the industry fame it would bring you, along with so many more high paying clients.
Well, since I think the Apple management and Legal team are lying, (at the very least, intentionally misleading) I don't see much likelihood of being able to take advantage of this.
#105 can you point me to the part evidently you left out that requires a 3rd party not involved in any way to any criminal activity to assist the Government in performing said search?
Even if the data is in the cloud if it is encrypted and if key is in the iPhone then they are still stuck.
That one hit the statist between the eyes.
“Presumably this is intended to allay concerns that it can be used on other phones. “
But the cracking PROCESS once developed can be used on any specific phone, and FBI, CIA, local cops, sheriff departments, highway patrol can then send a bag of phones with a court order demanding that they be decrypted using the established technique. Apple will then have to come up with tools specific to each phone, since they did it once to this phone.
“#105 can you point me to the part evidently you left out that requires a 3rd party not involved in any way to any criminal activity to assist the Government in performing said search?”
Sure. The part of the phone that is keeping the police to conduct a search. When they come to your neighbors house to take away their computer, you can’t step in and stop them because you are third party. And if you had proprietary software on the computer, you would be included in the case. A seperate warrant would probably be writ, as it was here.
I can understand why you don’t like it. It’s OK.
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