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To: i_robot73
Apple SHOULD have responded, "Sure. We will do what we can to crack the current encryption: When in OUR possession, in OUR labs and under OUR controls.

My reading of the Judge's order allows them to do exactly that. It specifically says that Apple may keep the phone at an Apple facility.

We will then GLADLY return the non-encrypted phone to the FBI. After which, the process will be destroyed and no further customer need worry about any 'back-door', 4th Amendment infringements."

The judges order also says that the firmware change will be specific to that phone's serial number. Presumably this is intended to allay concerns that it can be used on other phones.

Apple secures their property, judge is satisfied, FBI would have the data they requested and the FBI wouldn’t have SQUAT to further abuse the 4th for the rest of us.

I believe that is the deal the FBI is seeking, and the deal to which they would agree if Apple would simply ask for clarification from the Judge instead of making this into a bogey man tin-foil-hat circus.

I have long lost the trust of ANY govt to do anything for the benefit of The People, let alone voluntarily say "Whoa!" when trampling upon our Rights.

I don't trust them either, but the branch generally regarded as most trustworthy at securing rights protected under the US Constitution is the Judiciary.

111 posted on 02/19/2016 5:54:24 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

“Presumably this is intended to allay concerns that it can be used on other phones. “

But the cracking PROCESS once developed can be used on any specific phone, and FBI, CIA, local cops, sheriff departments, highway patrol can then send a bag of phones with a court order demanding that they be decrypted using the established technique. Apple will then have to come up with tools specific to each phone, since they did it once to this phone.


118 posted on 02/19/2016 5:59:21 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DiogenesLamp

You know the Jews in the 1930s didn’t think it was illegal to simply be Jewish and weren’t too afraid when IBM help the Nazis to start tracking them all over the place. Anyone familiar with history knows that eventually being Jewish became illegal and 6 million Jews were murdered. Are you cool with that? It is a perfect example of law and order.

Would you have been the first dumbass in line at a Nazi Jew registration center because you have nothing to hide?


127 posted on 02/19/2016 6:09:32 PM PST by WMarshal (Who in the Republican Party will be brave enough to name Obama a traitor?)
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To: DiogenesLamp

“The judges order also says that the firmware change will be specific to that phone’s serial number. Presumably this is intended to allay concerns that it can be used on other phones.”

Mostly likely it would be per the serial #/MAC/etc., but w/out knowing specifics it sounds like the judge is talking out of their @ss.

“I believe that is the deal the FBI is seeking, and the deal to which they would agree if Apple would simply ask for clarification from the Judge instead of making this into a bogey man tin-foil-hat circus.”

Ha! Govt doesn’t cares about clarification, they care about POWER. It’s our way...or jail. If govt were interested in ‘clarification’, they used language you couldn’t drive a cargo ship through and the ‘law’ would not be so...muddy.

“I don’t trust them either, but the branch generally regarded as most trustworthy at securing rights protected under the US Constitution is the Judiciary.”

Ones whom ALSO cannot discern a distinction between ‘shall’ and ‘shall not’; if that ain’t scary right there, I don’t know what IS.


224 posted on 02/20/2016 7:02:44 AM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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