Cruz or Trump?
Posted on 12/17/2015 4:26:22 PM PST by VinL
Are you a conservative? Are you rocking so much conservative street cred that you chose to stay home rather than vote for Republican nominees Mitt Romney in 2012 or John McCain in 2008 because you consider them undercover liberals, a couple of donkeys outfitted with fake trunks? Do you look at the big government left and the big government right and have trouble telling them apart? Do you currently support Donald Trump?
If you answered "yes" to the above questions, this intervention is for you.
I don't want to make you angry. I don't want you to make you scream at me on Twitter. I don't want to make you call Rush Limbaugh and tattle on me. I just want to show you how your support for Trump is affecting the people who care about you and what the consequences will be.
According to the Mayo Clinic, you can't argue with facts or with my "emotional response to the problem," so I'm going to try to do this using Mayo Clinic intervention-approved "I" statements.
I was upset and hurt when you supported Donald Trump because ...
No real conservative has emerged from a Republican primary since Ronald Reagan. George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, George W. Bush, John McCain, Mitt Romney — let's face it, the establishment has dominated the primary for a long time. No surprise. That's whom it was invented to cater to.
But now — thanks to President Obama's incompetence — the pendulum is swinging hard to the right. According to the Realclearpolitics average, only 43 percent of Americans approve of the job the president is doing. This is finally the time!
Right now, you, the conservative base of the Republican party, have the best candidate they've ever had. Sen. Ted Cruz (Texas) is smart, he's a great debater, he isn't afraid to mention Jesus in his ads and he never backs down on his positions. He's Voldemort-level character in the minds of most Democrats (Voldemort is the bad guy from that book you probably told your grandkids not to read. They read it anyway).
Cruz outshined every other candidate in last night's debate. He was strong on foreign policy without promising to trample the Constitution. You love the Constitution! Remember?
Cruz schooled Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.) on illegal immigration:
There was "a time for choosing," as Reagan put it. Where there was a battle over amnesty and some chose, like Rubio, to stand with Obama and [Democratic New York Sen.] Chuck Schumer and support a massive amnesty plan. Others chose to stand with [Republican Alabama Sen.] Jeff Sessions and [Iowa Rep.] Steve King and the American people and secure the border.
He outlined conservative priorities:
Cutting taxes, cutting regulation, unleashing small businesses and rebuilding the military to defeat radical Islamic terrorism — our strategy is simple. We win, they lose. We've done it before and we can do it again.
Cruz is the first bona-fide conservative candidate I've seen in my lifetime who stands a chance of making it all the way to the White House. But, instead of seizing the opportunity to elect a true conservative, you have chosen to cast your primary vote for Trump.
I was upset and hurt when you supported Trump because ...
Trump wants to grow the size of government, spend massive amounts of taxpayer money and trample the Constitution.
He uses Democratic Party talking points to attack true conservatives. Last week, he called Cruz a "maniac." Last night, he walked it back, but only because it gave his conservative supporters a glimpse of who he really is.
Cruz believes what you believe. Trump pretends to believe some nasty caricature of what polling data told him you believe.
I was upset and hurt when you supported Trump because ...
The big-spending establishment Republicans failed us. The politically correct, identity-politics-obsessed bigger-spending liberals failed us. In 2016, America will finally be ready for a conservative voice, but that voice won't be there. Instead, we'll hear the voices of Trump and probably Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton arguing over whose version of single-payer universal healthcare is better. There will be no conservative voice and, ironically, it will be you who silenced it.
Just words.
He supported TARP and the Auto bailouts.
Says we need to “take care of the women and children” in terms of healthcare which means still spending trillions
said to “fund the good parts of planned parenthood”
Just because Trump sounds conservative doesn’t make him one. This is the guy that was criticizing the Tea Party and shutdowns the last time around. Back when Paul Ryan actually had a decent plan to go up against Obama in 2010, Trump said it was foolish and the Republicans should show unity with Obama and put the ownership of the budget on him.
But now because Trump is talking conservative, that makes him one?
Sorry, I’m smart enough to know when someone is trolling. And Trump is trolling you. And God forbid he gets anywhere near the WH to enact his true liberal beliefs people like you will disappear into oblivioun and pretend like you had nothing to do with it.
So unless you have anything other than “Trump says”, please do not disturb anyone else. I, and many others refuse to take part in cult worshipping.
Does Trump have a position on his website concerning the banning of trans-fats in NYC?
No?
Well then obviously he’s against liberty and freedom of choice for every Amercian to decide what the h*ll they want to eat for dinner without the government’s intervention.
Cruz does is it?
Trump took a 1 million loan and turned it into a 10 billion dollar personal fortune. Trump has managed a multi billion enterpise with very great sucess
What exactly has Cruz done that demonstrates any leadership skills?
He got elected to the Senate in a dark dark red Republican state. He makes pretty speech full of nice sounding slogans and talking points.
Seems the “cult like followers” are not the ones voting for Trump.
I have yet to see a poll that showed a “Cruz win” in the debate. Frank Luntz doesn’t count. The IJR/Google poll of 1,082 (a large survey for a debate) showed a 15% win for Trump over Cruz.
Where are any of YOUR guys tonight?I think Cruz and Rubio have been duking it out over a meaningless straw poll today.
I'm surprised there haven't been at least 10 threads posted by Isara about Cruz's win.
Cruz's debate win means it's intervention time for Trump supportersIt looks like Zippererer wrote this bile the night before the debate just knowing Trump was going to crash.
Here is one thing: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cruz-announcing-2nd-amendment-coalition-believing-gun-control/story?id=35569796
I have to look more later.
Thank you for all your work on this.
This one if from the Cruz website: https://www.tedcruz.org/news/cruz-for-president-announces-second-amendment-coalition/
If the state pays for the election, the state gets to make the rules. If the party pays, the party makes the rules. That’s how it was explained to me, anyway. Tell me if I’m wrong.
If it’s true, I guess it depends on how rich the state GOP is. In NY, there’s plenty of money, so the parties have enough and call the shots.
He's in charge now! Crews Helmut
Isn’t it obvious? Evidently not...
You are right. I know the states of late have been moving up their primaries to gain more influence. The national party needs to come together and try to form a plan. The states can still choose how they do it, except for removing the participation of Democrats. It is fundamentally unfair to other states to have some states include Democrats.
Thank you. How on earth did you find it?
Courtesy of The Ghost of FReepers Past -
Ted Cruz
Cruz For President Announces Second Amendment Coalition
Totaling an astounding 24,030 members
HOUSTON, Texas – Presidential Candidate Ted Cruz today rolled-out his Second Amendment Coalition at a rally in Johnston, Iowa. The group represents gun rights advocates across the country who believe in the fundamental constitutional right to bear arms for the purpose of self-defense.
The coalition already has 24,030 members, including 1,084 members in the four early primary states. The coalition will be co-chaired by Gun Owners of America President Tim Macy, former Congressman Bob Barr, President and Co-Founder of Heroes Hunting Sgt. Patrick Perkins, Richard Rogers and Dave Funk.
“The right to self-defense is an essential component of the liberty we enjoy as Americans and is embodied in the Second Amendment. The right to keep and bear arms is not about hunting; it’s not about target practice. It’s about our basic right to protect our homes, our children, and our lives,†said Cruz. “I am honored to have the leadership of our National Co-Chairs and am humbled by the tens of thousands of Americans who have signed up to join me as, together, we strive to protect our Second Amendment freedoms.†Click here to watch Ted’s coalition announcement video:
Tim Macy’s distinguished career includes serving as the Chairman of Gun Owners of America, overseeing all GOA operations. Tim has served on the Board of Directors of GOA since its creation over 35 years ago. He also serves as Vice-Chairman of Gun Owners of California.
“I am honored and excited to serve as a National Co-Chair of the Second Amendment coalition,†said Tim. “Finally, we have a constitutional leader running for President: Ted Cruz. Ted understands the Second Amendment and the importance of protecting the rights of gun-carrying Americans and I am proud to support him in his run for the White House.â€
Former Congressman Bob Barr has been a lifelong advocate of preserving Second Amendment rights of Americans, serving on the Board of Directors of the National Rifle Association. Barr represented the 7th District of Georgia in the U.S. House of Representatives for 8 years, served as a U.S. Attorney under President Ronald Reagan, and currently practices law in Atlanta, Georgia.
“There is no candidate for President who is more genuinely and deeply committed to protecting our God-given and constitutionally-guaranteed right to keep and bear arms, than Sen. Ted Cruz,†said Bob. “I am honored to stand with him and serve as Co-Chair of his Second Amendment Coalition.â€
Sgt. Patrick Perkins is a Co-Founder of Heroes Hunting, a Veteran operated non-profit organization, which gives veterans of all ages an opportunity to hunt as a form of therapy. Sgt. Perkins has been on two tours in Afghanistan and has received multiple awards including the Purple Heart, Meritorious Service Medal, Valoreous Unit Citation, and a Combat Action Badge.
“As a result of my experience as a front line defender of this country and our constitutional freedoms, I know a leader when I see one,†said Sgt. Perkins. “Much like the majority of Republican voters, I’m tired of all these ‘talking heads’ in Washington that speak a big game, but then fold on each and every issue, (i.e. defunding Obamacare, defunding immigration reform, and vowing to not allow the last budget deal to pass). Is their ‘promise to protect our right to bear arms’ on the same list? Ted Cruz is the candidate I trust to protect my Second Amendment rights and I am honored to help him in this race.â€
Richard Rogers is a Board Member of the Iowa Firearms Coalition, the leading pro-second amendment group in Iowa and a NRA Affiliate and a lifelong Republican activist.
Rogers said, “At its core, the Second Amendment isn’t about guns so much as it’s about liberty. Senator Cruz understands that and has a proven record of fighting to preserve individual liberty and personal responsibility. He is the leader America needs in 2016 and I am proud to join his team.â€
Dave Funk is the past President of the Iowa Chapter of Safari Club International, a former Iowa Chairman of Strong America Now, and the past Iowa Chairman of Sportsmen for McCain and Sportsmen for Romney. Funk is also a former Congressional candidate for the 3rd district of Iowa.
“After a lifetime of hunting and shooting, I’ve learned you can tell a lot about a man by how he handles a shotgun,†said Dave. “Pheasant hunting in Iowa with Senator Cruz over the last few years has proven to me that we can trust him with our 2nd Amendment rights.â€
The Second Amendment is one of the most threatened Constitutional rights of our generation, and this coalition serves to protect our right to keep and bear arms and empower Americans in the fight to reignite the promise of America. To join the Cruz Second Amendment coalition, just go to www.2AforTed.org and click ‘Join a Coalition.’
The Second Amendment Coalition has the following leaders in the following states thus far, and is adding more individuals every day:
Jacob Cowman, IA
Samantha Cowman, IA
Vicki Crawford, IA
Allison Desaulniers, IA
Weslye Desaulniers, IA
Bethany Dorin, IA
Mary Dorin, IA
Ron Dorin, IA
Tyler Dorin, IA
Ben Dorin, IA
Richard Rogers, IA
State Rep. Ralph Watts, IA
Duane R. Brown, NH
Lawrence Cheetham, NH
Robert Clivio, NH
David Wheeler, NH
Jim Bancroft, SC
Sheriff Ray Nash, SC
Angie Watson, SC
Chuck Burnett, NV
Dave Buser, NV
Christopher Conyers, NV
Liz Delsignore, NV
Rich Grosch, NV
Mathew Hinton, NV
Randy McConville, NV
Stan McGarry, NV
Bob Strauss, NV
Lisa Zabriskie, NV
Steven Guede, AL
Earl De Vries, CA
Fred Bertsch, MI
Jim Calhoun, MI
Kris Cox, MI
Vicki Fyke, MI
Adrian Grand, MI
Bev Kalamazoo, MI
Jennifer Kuznicki, MI
Fred Muskegon, MI
Adrian Poulisse, MI
Jennifer Presque Isle, MI
Kali Pung, MI
Jim Schreur, MI
Bev Solik, MI
David Susan, MI
Chuck Vizthum, MI
Done Bumgarner, MN
Rep. Steve Drazkowski, MN
Marjorie Holsten, MN
Bruce Miller, MN
Rep. Cindy Pugh, MN
Rep. Eric Burlison, MO
David Arredondo, NC
James Cheek, NC
Deon Dunn, NC
Dennis Haynes, NC
Dixie Moore, NC
Cheryl Ressler, NC
Kevin Ressler, NC
Justin Tart, NC
Paul Valone, NC
Lyndon White, NC
Tammy Wiles, NC
Rep. David Derby, OK
Richard Archie, TN
David Baldovin, TN
Billy Pickering, TN
Matt Studd, TN
William Swiderski, TN
David Wilson, TN
Dave Dawson, TX
Don't worry, I'm not.
Ted's my Senator and I voted three times (primary - runoff - general) to help get him there. I just don't feel that this is his time, nor do I feel that he's the best guy to handle the incredibly tough times in our near future.
He's only 44. He's got decades ahead of him to make his mark on American history. I trust that he'll do just that.
Gotta love it when the fifth-graders masquerade as FReepers...
That’s an interesting point. I don’t know what the RNC can do about it, though. They are always so money-mad. They wouldn’t want any of their precious donations to go toward funding primaries. Maybe someone clever can figure out a way.
“Cruz’s debate win means it’s intervention time for Trump supporters”
I love the smell of establishment desperation in the morning. It smells like victory!
“Cruz has not sold us out. I predict Trump will. “
Cruz has been silent most of the campaign about illegal immigration. That silence was worrisome. His recent plan is ok, but is vague on what he’ll do with the illegals here. In the debate, hecsaid he doesn’t ‘intend’ to give them legal status. I don’t trust political lawyer-speak. “I will not...” sounds much better.
I predict Cruz’s donors will have him continue to be wishy-washy on illegal immigration. I just escaped Mexifornia and want no part of it!
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