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The Vast Majority Myth (moderate muslims and sharia)
Crisis Magazine ^ | December 16, 2015 | WILLIAM KILPATRICK

Posted on 12/17/2015 11:42:42 AM PST by NYer

Terrorist Attack in San Bernardino

We often hear it said that the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful and reject violence. That proposition is worth examining because if it's not true there is cause to worry. Of course, you should be worried already. Even if only a small percentage of the world's 1.6 billion Muslims are prepared to use violence, that still works out to a large number. However, if the vast-majority thesis doesn’t hold up, you might want to order a Kevlar vest from Amazon, or, if you’re the accommodating type, you could start practicing the Shahada - the Islamic declaration of faith.

There is a good deal of polling data to suggest that the vast majority of Muslims are not just your standard-issue vast majority. For example, Pew polls of public opinion in Pakistan and Egypt show that the vast majority (about 82 percent) favor stoning for adultery, amputation for theft, and death for apostates. So, even if a majority in these countries are not personally inclined to violence, they have no problem with the violent application of sharia law.

But rather than rely on polling data, let's look at some other ways of assessing the "vast majority" proposition. For some perspective, here are some other "vast majority" propositions that just popped into my head:

Proposition 1. The vast majority of people are peaceful until they're not.

Proposition 2. The vast majority of people go with the flow.

Proposition 3. The majority of people in any society are women and children.

With the exception of the third proposition, there is no empirical evidence for these propositions, but they seem just as reasonable as the proposition that the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful - a supposition which also has no empirical support. However, Proposition 3 does lend credence to the "vast majority of Muslims" thesis since women and children are, for various reasons, less inclined to violence than adult males. It would therefore be reasonable to say of any society that at least a majority are peaceful.

But people who are peaceful today will not necessarily be peaceful tomorrow. It's probably safe to say that the vast majority of Hutus were behaving peacefully before the Rwanda genocide of 1994 .. and then they stopped behaving peacefully. Using clubs, machetes, and, occasionally, guns, the Hutu managed to kill about 800,000 Tutsi in the space of one hundred days. It’s likely that the vast majority did not take part in the killings, but, by all accounts, a sizeable number did, and an even greater number were complicit. According to reports, most of the Tutsi victims who lived in rural villages were murdered by their neighbors.

So, in line with Proposition 1, the majority of the Hutu were peaceful until they were not. And, in line with Proposition 2, the majority of the Hutu went with the flow - the flow, in this case, being in the direction of mayhem. It should be noted, however, that there were powerful incentives to go with the flow. Moderate Hutus who declined to join in the killing were often killed by their fellow Hutus as a warning to others.

Although women took part in the slaughter, Proposition 3 would suggest that the majority of them did not. And if you combine the women with the children, the elderly, and the moderates, it is reasonable to assume that the majority of Hutu did not participate in the carnage. That, however, would have been small comfort to the Tutsi. The more you think about it, the less comforting it is to know that the vast majority of any population won’t take up arms against you.

History is full of examples of peoples and nations who were peaceful and then were not. Prior to World War I, the vast majority of Europeans were behaving peacefully. Then came 1914, and the European nations went to war with each other. The majority, of course, remained at home and were never involved in battle, but it seems safe to say that most of them fully backed their own side in the conflict and welcomed news of enemy casualties.

Given the right circumstances, the majority of almost any population will willingly put itself on a war footing and turn their homeland into a home front. The questions is, is there something about Islamic cultures that make them more susceptible to warlike attitudes more of the time?

Before attempting an answer, let’s briefly consider another historical example—the Spartans. Were the vast majority of Spartans peaceful? In the sense that the great majority, including women, children, and the elderly were not at war all the time, yes. Still, we would be mistaken to call them a peaceful people. Sparta was a warrior culture, and it cultivated a warrior mentality in its citizens.

The Spartans were a unique case, but in so far as Islam has a tendency, it tends in the direction of Sparta rather than, say, in the direction of Sweden—a land which was once host to a warrior culture of its own. But the Vikings are long gone, and their peaceful descendants look like they will be the first European nation to fall to Islam—a culture which has been more or less at war with the rest of the world since its inception.

Why is the sharia penalty for apostasy death? Because Islam understands itself to be an army. And the penalty for deserting an army in wartime is death. But for Islam, all times are wartimes. The basic division in the Islamic faith is between the House of Islam and the House of War. The essential mission given to Muslims is to bring the House of War (all non-Islamic nations) under the control of the House of Islam.

Like the Spartans, the first Muslims were warriors. Their leader was both a prophet and a warlord. Since Muslims are still expected to model their behavior on Muhammad, it’s not surprising that Muslim cultures will be more prone to violence than, say, cultures that take Jesus or Buddha as their inspiration. Our own culture is completely sold on the importance of having role models to emulate, but hasn’t yet grasped the consequences that follow when 1.6 billion people take Muhammad as their primary role model. Indeed, one of the chief appeals of ISIS and company is their promise to return Islam to those glorious days when Muhammad spread the faith by force.

It may well be that a great many Muslims today just want to be left alone to go about their business. But one of the built-in features of Islam is that, if you’re a Muslim, it won’t leave you alone. It wants to force you to be good. However, the only way to know if you’re good is if you conform to sharia. Thus, where Islam is practiced in its purest form, the virtue police patrol the streets, and everyone understands that if they convert to another religion they can be executed for apostasy—that is to say, desertion.

This is where the second proposition comes in: the vast majority of people go with the flow. The flow of Islam today has returned to its historical channel. It flows in the direction of militancy. Many of the secular governments in the Muslim world have been overthrown, or are in danger of falling to militant theocrats. The caliphate has been re-established in the form of the Islamic State, and the combined might of Russia and the Western powers has been unable to defeat it. Moreover, the seeming impotence of the West is matched by its decadence, and, according to your local imam, the two go together. The current parlous state of the West is just the sort of punishment that Allah visits on those who ignore his laws.

Imagine that you’re one of those moderately disposed Muslims who just wants to go about his own business. You look around and see that all the predictions of the more militant mullahs and imams are coming true. You want to be left alone, but you also want to be a good Muslim. And more and more it seems that being a good Muslim is what the militants say it is. After all, they can buttress their case with dozens of passages from Islamic scripture. And even if you’re not inwardly persuaded, there are still those outside pressures to be considered. Just as the extremist Hutu killed off the moderate Hutu, so also, extremist Muslims have a habit of murdering moderate Muslims who won’t go along with the program. After a while, the radical position won’t seem so radical. In fact, it will start to make sense.

Such a change of heart is not purely a matter of cowardice. No one likes to think of himself as a coward, and so we have ways of convincing ourselves that we are acting out of good, even virtuous motives, rather than cowardly ones. Thus, a moderate Muslim who is moving in a radical direction may persuade himself that it is pleasing to Allah for him to discriminate against non-Muslims. Eventually, he may convince himself that he has a duty to Allah to kill infidels. This shouldn’t be too hard to understand, because we in the West have ways of persuading ourselves that our continual attempts to cater to Muslim sensibilities is due to our tolerance and open-mindedness, rather than to fear.

Now that the Islamic State has established a caliphate, all the arguments for the more militant form of Islam have been strengthened. Nothing succeeds like success, and the many successes of ISIS seem to prove that Allah’s power is behind them. Fr. James Schall, S.J., puts it this way:

Briefly, the assigned mission of Islam is to conquer the world for Allah. Submission to Allah is the highest human good. Any means to carry it out is good if it is successful. Carrying out this mission, in this view, is a Muslim’s vocation. With the re-establishment of the caliphate, this mission can now recommence.

In short, the rebirth of the caliphate may be the signal that obedient and orthodox Muslims have been waiting for.

The vast majority of people go with the flow. Or, to change the metaphor, they wait to see which way the wind is blowing. In Islam, the wind is blowing once again in a radical direction. As we know from history, a relatively small number of radicals can pull the majority along with them. The problem is compounded in Islam because, judging by the numerous terrorist attacks in every part of the globe, we may no longer be facing a relatively small number of radicals. It is also likely that the violent radicals now have the sympathy of far more Muslims than we in the West will admit. Fr. Schall again:

Many Muslim countries are “peaceful” only in the sense that their governments, usually military dictatorships, keep down that radicalism that would overthrow them and is overthrowing them in many places. Muslim masses wait to see who is winning. They know even within Islam that they cannot afford to be on the losing side.

It is often argued that if Western societies take a hard line toward Islamic aggression, both military and cultural, it will have the effect of driving the moderates into the radical camp. So we yield to demands for burqas in public, censor the “Islamophobes” in our midst, and avoid using “offensive” terms such as “radical Islam.” But the majority of Muslims aren’t waiting to see which side is the most tolerant or which side takes in the most refugees; they are waiting to see which side is winning. As long as the West continues on its current course of accommodation and appeasement, the moderates will continue by some strange alchemy to morph into radicals.

The other day, the Daily Mail carried a photo of a smiling young man in Muslim garb holding a large sign that read “I am Muslim … do you trust me enough for a hug?” If that were the end of the story, we could all reassure ourselves that he had thoroughly grasped the cherished Western concept “arms are for hugging.” But shortly afterward, Craig Wallace, aka Muhammad Mujahid Islam, sent an online death threat to a Tory MP who had voted to authorize military action in Syria. Wallace was peaceful … until he wasn’t.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: conquest; domination; hostiletakeover; immigration; infiltrators; invaders; islam; koran; moratorium; muslim; musliminvasion; sendthemback; sharia; trojanhorse
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1 posted on 12/17/2015 11:42:42 AM PST by NYer
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Our own culture is completely sold on the importance of having role models to emulate, but hasn’t yet grasped the consequences that follow when 1.6 billion people take Muhammad as their primary role model.

Nails it, ping!

2 posted on 12/17/2015 11:43:27 AM PST by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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To: NYer

Why would the religion of peace have a House of War in their faith?


3 posted on 12/17/2015 11:53:36 AM PST by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: NYer

Even if the vast majority of muslims are “peaceful”, that does not mean that they are not supporting the violent muslims, whether through financial or other means of support.


4 posted on 12/17/2015 11:53:39 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer

If they advocate Sharia law, they are not just Muslims, they are Islamunists advocating Islamunism.

There is no place in this world for Sharia law.


5 posted on 12/17/2015 11:54:12 AM PST by Fhios (How about we call it a a war on sharia law?)
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To: NYer

The moderate majority is irrelevant. Only a small minority of Germans were actually Nationalist Socialist German Workingmen’s Party members in 1933, and the coalition NEVER had majority support among Germans. But they had all the guns, and had thoroughly intimidated the entire rest of the German population at the time into compliance with their version of the “new rule of law”, which in fact was largely in conflict with the existing body of law that had governed Germany only a few years previously. Those who resisted ended up being summarily executed, using the “new rule of law”. No judge, no jury, no appeal, and no mercy.

An exactly parallel situation exists with the institution of Shari’ah Law in areas where an entirely different code of law had been in force, for generations or even centuries. Whether possession of guns is legal or not, those under Shari’ah law now declare themselves exempt from any existing previous legal codes, and they enforce their new declaration with the business end of firearms.


6 posted on 12/17/2015 11:55:43 AM PST by alloysteel (Do not argue with trolls. That means they win.)
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To: NYer
There are about 3,000,000 (3M) Muslims in the U.S. Many hundreds of thousands of them completely reject America, its freedom, and many want to kill you for exercising your freedoms.

Here are their opinions:

Sharia in America: "51% of U.S. Muslims (1.5M) ... polled believe ... that they should have the choice of American or Sharia courts" (1)

Reject U.S. Law: 61%. Only "39% of (U.S. Muslims, ~1.2M) said that Muslims in the U.S. should be subject to American courts." (1) That means the other 61% (~1.8M) of U.S. Muslims believe they should not be subject to American courts.

Sharia Superiority: 33% of U.S. Muslims (~1M) believe that "If Sharia conflicts with the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights", then Sharia "should be considered supreme." (1)

Violence against First Amendment Rights: 29% (~900,000) U.S. Muslims agree that "violence against those who insult the prophet mohammed, the quran, or the Islamic faith is sometimes acceptable." (1)

Sharia by Jihad: 11% of U.S. Muslims (~330,000) believe that Sharia is "The Muslims god allah's Law that Muslims must follow and impose world-wide via Jihad" (1)

(1) https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

Keep in mind that the bias of respondents should be to shade their answers to be more acceptable to other Americans, lest they become the targets of legal investigation for their subversive opinions. Therefore, the results above should be considered the bare minimum, and the real opinion of American muslims is likely worse than shown.

7 posted on 12/17/2015 11:55:47 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (The GOPe / RINO / Uniparty wants a Cruz v. Trump Death Match. Don't give it to them.)
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To: NYer

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim


8 posted on 12/17/2015 11:56:04 AM PST by butlerweave
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To: NYer

Muslims are evil and dangerous. And anyone who believes and acts that they are not has his or her head in the sand.


9 posted on 12/17/2015 11:58:54 AM PST by mulligan (I)
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To: NYer

Keep. Them. Out.


10 posted on 12/17/2015 11:59:09 AM PST by samtheman (I support Trump)
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To: NYer

11 posted on 12/17/2015 12:08:45 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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“Briefly, the assigned mission of Islam is to conquer the world for Allah. Submission to Allah is the highest human good. Any means to carry it out is good if it is successful. Carrying out this mission, in this view, is a Muslim’s vocation. With the re-establishment of the caliphate, this mission can now recommence.”

This is all you need to know about Muzzies!


12 posted on 12/17/2015 12:13:49 PM PST by vette6387
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Speaking at Kanal D TV's Arena program in 2007, Turkey's Prime Minister (now President) Recep Tayyip Erdogan commented on the term "moderate Islam", often used in the West and said,
"These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that's it."

(Source: Milliyet, Turkey, August 21, 2007)

13 posted on 12/17/2015 12:17:18 PM PST by Baynative (Liberty lost is a high price to pay for the experiment of socialism.)
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OMG . . .

Proposition 2. The vast majority of people go with the flow.

Their own point two destroys their own entire argument, hands down.

People who have their own religious based food restrictions, their own calender, their own mandatory language (Arabic, very badly spoken or not), who pray five times a day, are told at least every Friday that they have to fight and die for Allah, and that imitating a cruel, murderous, Satanic, pedophile, is the path to heaven, are "going with the flow" when they finally start killing infidels (i.e. Christians and everyone else who is not a Muzzie).

Dang.

14 posted on 12/17/2015 12:19:42 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: butlerweave

Yep, or saying it another way:

Radical Muslim: Wants to kill you.
Moderate Muslim: Wants a Radical Muslim to kill you.


15 posted on 12/17/2015 12:22:09 PM PST by pyrless (If you're gonna burn our flag, make sure you wrap yourself in it first!)
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To: NYer
Thank you, great article.

Briefly, the assigned mission of Islam is to conquer the world for Allah.

Those that wish to transform and remake our nation clearly enjoy our inability to distinguish between a murderous cult and the myth that islam is a religion entitled to lst A protection.

Sadly, it appears the American government is doing all it can to perpetuate that myth.

Perhaps just as we removed Nazism from Germany and allowed its population to continue with a more balanced lifestyle, we must remove the Koran and Sharia law from islam.

16 posted on 12/17/2015 12:40:06 PM PST by frog in a pot (What if only a previous Democrat says most of the things we want to hear from the Republicans?)
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To: NYer
After a while, the radical position won't seem so radical. In fact, it will start to make sense. Such a change of heart is not purely a matter of cowardice. No one likes to think of himself as a coward, and so we have ways of convincing ourselves that we are acting out of good, even virtuous motives, rather than cowardly ones.

AKA Stockholm Syndrome. All the more powerful when you're not really a kidnap victim, an outsider, to begin with.

Or, to change the metaphor, they wait to see which way the wind is blowing. In Islam, the wind is blowing once again in a radical direction.

I would change that metaphor a little. Islam has always blown in only one direction, war. The wind just rises and falls from time to time. At present it is rising.

To further illustrate the fallacy of the "majority are peaceful" theme consider the U.S. Army and the war in Iraq as an example. The premise is that only those who actually pick up arms and fire them at somebody are the "radicals." The majority of our army did not deploy to Iraq. The majority of those who deployed to Iraq didn't engage directly in combat. The "vast" majority were "peaceful" army soldiers who simply fixed equipment, transported supplies, ran medical facilities, prepared food, operated computers and radios and so forth.

By the standard being applied to muslims we can say that the "vast majority" of Army personnel in Iraq were just peaceful moderate people who merely happened to be employed in a war zone by random circumstance. And the far larger number of Army personnel elsewhere in the world? Well, they had nothing to do with anything. C'mon, man!

17 posted on 12/17/2015 12:44:15 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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In 1932, Hitler received “only” 37% of the vote for German president, losing to Hindenberg. Also in 1932, the Nazi Party won only 37% of Reichstag legislature seats. The violent SA Brownshirts were “only” 400,00 strong, or about 0.6% of a nation with a population a little over 65 million.

Germany’s population in 1932 was 65 million. Today, about the same number of persons — 63 million — in several heavily Muslim nations have a “favorable” view of ISIS. (See the Pew survey data.) If one considers those Muslims in the surveyed nations who have a “don’t know” opinion of ISIS, this number would increase to 273 million. Only 273 million.

Happily, whether ISIS supporters are 63 million or 273 million, the number is substantially smaller than those who have an “unfavorable” view of ISIS. As Pew reports, the view of ISIS in these mostly-Muslim nations is “overwhelmingly negative.”

Whew! Doesn’t that make you feel better!

And, happily, of those 63 million persons who have a “favorable” view of ISIS, I am sure that only a small minority would ever, ever, ever personally engage in any violent acts, just as most Germans, never themselves committed an act of violence against a Pole or Czech or Belgian or Frenchman or Russian or Gypsy or Jew. The same can be said for that much smaller number of persons who were supporters of the German National Socialist Party.

So have a happy day, but be sure to read the Quran and Hadith, which present the core of religious and political truth to your friendly Muslim neighbor, who almost certainly would never lift a finger to hurt you or anybody. You might invite him to dinner, along with your other friendly neighbor who happens to be an advocate of German National Socialism and the Furher, Herr Hitler. You can all read Mein Kamf and the Hadith together, and celebrate the rich diversity in other faiths, cultures, and points of view.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/in-nations-with- significant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/ft_15-11- 17_isis_views/


18 posted on 12/17/2015 12:44:26 PM PST by mbarker12474
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To: butlerweave
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim.

No. Consider the drug cartels.

Also some Hindi.

This or that African tribe, see South Sudan today, for example.

19 posted on 12/17/2015 12:47:31 PM PST by mbarker12474
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To: mbarker12474

Ping


20 posted on 12/17/2015 1:12:33 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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