[Kenny]

So they’ll have a roadmap for confiscation.

[rktman]

Hmmm. Well, the way the signature gatherers here in NV sold it to the LPOS/SPOS/IPOS/UPOS for a 2016 ballot initiative was the promise to end ALL gun violence and ALL domestic violence once and for all. And twice the required signatures were obtained. Stupidity has no limits.

[dhs12345]

At one point, weren't the feds supposed to destroy the background check records? Once the applicant passed, the records would be erased, destroyed, etc.

That would be a real test of the motives of the anti-gun people. Require that the records be destroyed once the applicant passes the check. If they insist on keeping the records, then the motive is eventual confiscation plain and simple.

[umgud]

Yes this is obvious, but why do they get away with the requirement for an SN# for every 4473? I thought the background check was on the buyer, not the gun. Trust me, this info isn’t trashed as they claim. The FFL must keep these records for 20 years.

[Chainmail]

We miss the obvious: Once it is federal law to have a background check for every firearms transfer, it becomes a very simple matter to then tighten the criteria.

Had a misdemeanor? Denied. Been fired? Denied. Ever get in an argument at work? Denied. And so on

From that, it is a very simple matter to make it unlawful for a "Denied" person to possess a firearm at all.

Simple, isn't it?

[wastoute]

They just want more gun laws. Heaven forbid any should work. They don’t enforce the laws they have. The whole point is to pass laws tat DON’T work so they can continue to complain we “need more gun laws”.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Yep. The reason for universal background checks is so they can build a database of owners and guns. But I don’t see them as to try outright confiscation because that would immediately lead to a bloody civil war with a lot of gun grabbers dead. Instead after UBC they will institute a mandatory registration of all your guns. Then there will be random compliance checks (without a search warrant, of course) and if what you own doesn’t match the database, your guns will be immediately confiscated and destroyed and you will be jailed.

Next they will make the transfer of firearms from anyone to anyone else for any reason illegal. When you die the government comes and collects all your firearms and destroys them.

[Flintlock]

Lemmie see now..............
I own guns.

How hard do ya think it would be to find a shrink to say that for that AND NOW OTHER REASON AT ALL—I’m a bit crazy (to say the least) and SHOULD NOT have any guns??

Wanna bet??

[backwoods-engineer]

Let’s get this civil war started. I want it over by the time my grandchildren know what’s what.

[phugg]

Could someone please tell me what the current background check process is or should be.

I have bought from LGS on Black Friday when the place was packed. How do they do it during high volume days?

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

Just another small step in the call for gun registration and confiscation.

This has been the liberal’s wet dream since 1962 when Thomas J Dodd and Emanuel Cellar called for the registration of ONLY HANDGUNS! Rifles and shotguns would not be affected.

Then two years later they called for the registration of ALL guns,
then a ban on small “Saturday Night Specials”,
then a ban on all handguns,
then a ban on semi-auto rifles and shotguns. And so on it goes.

Here is what the founder of Handgun Control Inc said years ago.

Nelson T. ‘Pete’ Shields
Founder of Handgun Control, Inc.

“I’m convinced that we have to have federal legislation to build on. We’re going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily — given the political realities — going to be very modest.

Of course, it’s true that politicians will then go home and say, ‘This is a great law. The problem is solved.’ And it’s also true that such statements will tend to defuse the gun-control issue for a time.

So then we’ll have to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen that law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we’d be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal — total control of handguns in the United States — is going to take time.

My estimate is from seven to ten years. The problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country. The second problem is to get them all registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition — except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors — totally illegal.”

-Pete Shields, Chairman and founder, Handgun Control Inc., “A Reporter At Large: Handguns,” The New Yorker, July 26, 1976, 57-58

“Yes, I’m for an outright ban [on handguns].”

-Pete Shields, Chairman emeritus, Handgun Control, Inc., 60 Minutes interview

HCI, around 1984, came out in favor of a ban on semi-auto rifles and shotguns.

A little step here, a nibble there. A bite here and a bite there. soon all guns will be gone UNLESS YOU OPPOSE THEM EVERY CHANCE YOU GET!

If they get their “background check loophole” law they will go on to propose even more, and worse gun restrictions.

[philman_36]

But there are new people to the fight...

You need to learn the difference between civil rights and natural rights else you're leading others astray with your ignorance! I suggest starting here...

RIGHTS OF MAN Thomas Paine
("edit"..."find"..."hitherto" to get right to it)

Hitherto we have spoken only (and that but in part) of the natural rights of man. We have now to consider the civil rights of man, and to show how the one originates from the other. Man did not enter into society to become worse than he was before, nor to have fewer rights than he had before, but to have those rights better secured. His natural rights are the foundation of all his civil rights. But in order to pursue this distinction with more precision, it will be necessary to mark the different qualities of natural and civil rights.
A few words will explain this. Natural rights are those which appertain to man in right of his existence. Of this kind are all the intellectual rights, or rights of the mind, and also all those rights of acting as an individual for his own comfort and happiness, which are not injurious to the natural rights of others. Civil rights are those which appertain to man in right of his being a member of society. Every civil right has for its foundation some natural right pre-existing in the individual, but to the enjoyment of which his individual power is not, in all cases, sufficiently competent. Of this kind are all those which relate to security and protection.

You're demoting a natural right to a lesser civil right. Or did you simply not realize what you were doing?

[Trailerpark Badass]

Exactly right. As of now, even if they keep records of the NICS check or copy of the 4473, there is no Fed law that prevents you from selling the the gun to someone else right there at the gun counter, or in the parking lot as you leave.

Thus, they have no way of knowing what guns you're "supposed" to have. That all changes if you are held accountable for documenting the disposition of every gun you ever bought.

[Boomer]

The left has managed to put in place 7 of the 8 tenants required to make America a social state. The last and most important one to them is banning guns so we will live in a social (Police) state. They cannot control a populace that has the ability to say no.

Remember: Hillary Clinton wrote a thesis on Alinsky and obama spoke of him in his books someone ghost wrote for him.

How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:

There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people. DONE

2) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live. DONE

3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty. DONE

4) Gun Control– Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income) DONE

6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school. DONE

7) Religion – Remove the belief in God from the Government and schools. DONE and getting worse everyday.

8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor. DONE

[kitchen]

Imagine how many guns were produced or imported before '68. fed.gov has no idea of the numbers, let alone to whom they were sold, traded, or bequeathed. It may take them more than a generation but they are consumed with finding out. What good could come from any government knowing this?

Explain it to your wives, kids, and grandkids.

[Georgia Girl 2]

“And we know that there is no way to enforce Intergalactic Background Checks without Registration”

This is the gun control lobby’s short term goal. Than confiscation and kick off of CWII. Although at this point things are so tense I think here in the South registration would kick it off.

[Oatka]

Every time there’s an article pushing Universal Background Checks, they use the “prevents mentally disturbed people and criminals from getting a gun”.

Then there’s the usual flurry of commenters agreeing with them.

At that point I pose this question: “If the real concern is to prevent nutters or criminals from buying a gun, why do they want the make, model, caliber, type and serial number of every one bought? I can buy two or more firearms with only one background check, but I have to supply the above info for each gun?”

I have NEVER has gotten a cogent counter-post.

[philman_36]

We know this is the ‘Fatal sequence’ (in more ways than one) that has taken place with other repressive regimes that have deprived the people of their Civil-Rights.

You write that drivel and you take fake umbrage with me for pointing out the error of your thinking?!

You're a real piece of work!