Posted on 10/05/2015 5:39:22 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
Here's a completely constitutional gun-control measure Congress should consider: Establish a robust national militia, mandating that every gun owner become a member. Failure to register with the militia should result in serious jail time.
In the obvious interest of knowing the quantity and quality of arms available to the militia's purposes, all members should be required to inventory all of their personal arms. Failure to do so should also warrant significant jail time.
(Excerpt) Read more at sltrib.com ...
The second Amendment was not part of the deficient US Constitution at ratification. The Bill of Rights was ratified on December 15, 1791.
I believe that the article’s author was on the right track. The US SHOULD establish a well regulated militia.
Every person of fighting age should be required to possess weapons suitable for the national defense. The militia members should be encouraged to maintain a hidden cache of weapons and ammunition, they should be schooled in tactics and also schooled in the Constitution so that when they are sworn in as members of the well regulated militia, they know what they are defending.
I think this article contains the germ of a truly splendid idea. Now if we can only get the progressives on board...
No. I would predict that within 5-10 years we will have militias, neighbors helping neighbors be safe in their homes, as common.
I think it’s an informal thing now, many of us know our neighbors, know who have guns, and know who would be willing to fight with you to protect family and property.
YES - federal law already defines the militia. Know it or male American citizens aged17-45 already are LEGALLY part of the federal militia. States can have militias too and here’s what the Constitution says about the militia...
“The Congress shall have Power To ...provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions....”
ARTICLE I, SECTION 8, CLAUSE 15
The states cannot disarm the citizens because that would remove the militia resource from the fedgov - therefore the 2nd Amendment.
Many here really do not know their American history. Militia service was not voluntary guys - at least for my ancestors on the frontier during the Revolution.
“I always considered each state’s national guard as the “milita”... “
No, you are mistaken. See:
The National Guard is a militia force organized by each of the states and territories of the United States. Established under Title 10 and Title 32 of the U.S. Code, state National Guard serves as part of the first-line defense for the United States.[37] The state National Guard is divided up into units stationed in each of the 54 states and U.S. territories and operates under their respective state governor or territorial government.[38] The National Guard may be called up for active duty by the state governors or territorial commanding generals to help respond to domestic emergencies and disasters, such as those caused by hurricanes, floods, and earthquakes.[38]
Wikipedia. Militia (United States)
What you are thinking of is:
The National Guard of the United States is a military reserve force composed of state National Guard members or units under federally recognized active or inactive armed force service for the United States.[39][40] Created by the Militia Act of 1903, the National Guard of the United States is a joint reserve component of the United States Army and the United States Air Force. The National Guard of the United States maintains two subcomponents: the Army National Guard of the United States [39] for the Army and the Air Force’s Air National Guard of the United States.[39]
Wikipedia. Militia (United States)
“The national guard is under the control of the state governor...”
Units of the National Guard of the United States on inactive Federal service is also under the authority of the Governor of the States for duties related to the state alongside the separate state National Guard, State Guard, and/or state militia and naval militia.
The American militia, unorganized and organized, trace their legal existence back to the days of the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms before the Norman conquest in 1066 and farther back still to the ancient civilizations who had citizen armies. During the American colonial period and after the American Revolutionary War, every able bodied citizen was required to purchase and maintain arms in the form of a poleaxe, halberd, body armor, and/or a long firearm as a member of the colonial militia. The laws still exist today, but no longer with the law mandating the purchase of the firearm and ammunition.
You are correct, but it codified a right that previously existed.
I’ll give the author credit for an interesting idea, though his plans for jail time and gun inventory are non-starters. But there is a nugget or two in his screed.
Article I, Section 8 gives Congress the authority to “provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining” the militia, although the States themselves appoint the Officers and have the authority for training the militia under the rules set by Congress. All well and good. So I can expect prompt delivery of my M4 with grenade launcher?
Right now, our “organized” militia (e.g. National Guard) is little more than the Army Reserve and the “unorganized” militia is a joke. The “Militia of One” concept is nice, but you have to admit there is strength in numbers. When (not if) the SHTF, hundreds or even thousands of lone gunmen won’t get much accomplished, I dare say.
Do I trust ANYTHING coming out of Washington where guns are concerned? Abso-friggin-lutely not! But would I feel differently about meeting once a month with some of my armed neighbors, under the leadership of a LOCAL commander?
Hmmmm. I’m willing to hear more, yeah. But not from a libtard.
Too bad the Brits did not think of registration of arms in 1775. The could have avoided Lexington and Concord on April 19, 1775. Of course, as it were, they were out to confiscate the militia’s depot of arms anyway.... instead they could have simply rounded up the individuals patriots piecemeal.
My semi-educated take on that phrase is that it acknowledges the need for and the desirability of a citizen militia, not that it requires membership.
“they could have simply rounded up the individuals patriots piecemeal.”
The identities of the Minutemen were kept secret, so the British would be unable to single all of them out. The British could not arrest all of the members of the colonial militia, because it would have meant imprisoning every able bodied teenage male and older in the colony, leaving a wrecked British economy reliant upon British-American exports and imports.
Traitors to the United States of America keep thinking of ways to subvert the Second Amendment under the sheepskin of supporting it.
Hey, if said banger did a 180 degree revision of his behavior and attitude, we'd welcome him!
“My semi-educated take on that phrase is that it acknowledges the need for and the desirability of a citizen militia, not that it requires membership.”
Membership in the militia was mandatory and always had been mandatory in England and the American colonies. The phrase being discussed in the Second Amendment simply acknowledged the already existing militia required the continued possession of arms, as already required by law, to not be infringed in order to fulfill their traditional duties.
Problem: The federal government takes the invader role, and the militiamen become the insurrectionists. Gets sticky then.
CT had 85% of applicable gun owners refuse to comply with the post-Newtown registration requirements.
100 million gun owners, nationally, translates into 85 million getting “serious jail time”
I can see that working out well for all involved. Especially since most of those 85 million are going to be taxpayers.
Tell that to the four DISSENTERS in:
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER (No. 07-290)
478 F. 3d 370, affirmed.
It is easy to visualize how the German courts (or our case own Supreme Court) could twist the Constitution to their own interpretations:) e.g.,
http://www.aish.com/ho/o/48954321.html
DO a “find” search for on “COURTS” on the site.
Wow, what a great border patrol and trespasser reduction group that would be. And we could handle black riots, too!
***(Mandatory that you bring ALL your weapons to next month’s meeting, so we can confiscate them).***
Didn’t some ancient Greek tyrant do this? He called for a meeting of all armed men, had them store their weapons in a temple while the meeting was in another place. After the meeting was over, the people found the tyrant had sent armed guards to seize the temple and weapons.
“Well-regulated” means “well-equipped” or “well-armed.”
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