Posted on 09/20/2015 8:22:59 AM PDT by VinL
The first major national poll since the second GOP debate finds Carly Fiorina surging into a second place and Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker’s campaign in total collapse.
The survey by CNN of 444 registered Republican voters put Donald Trump in first place with 24% support, a drop of 8 points since their last poll, and Fiorina in second place with 15%. Fiorina earned plaudits on the right for her debate performance, which included multiple clashes with Trump, although fact checkers pointed out that she vividly cited footage from a hidden camera video of Planned Parenthood that does not appear to exist. 52% of respondents said Fiorina was the winner of the debate while 31% said Trump lost.
Dr. Ben Carson, who had surged into second place in many polls after the first debate in August, stood in third at 14%. Sen. Marco Rubio leapt from single digits to fourth place with 11% of the vote, followed by former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush at 9%, Sen. Ted Cruz and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee at 6%, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul at 4%, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie at 3%, Ohio Gov. John Kasich at 2%, and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum at 1%.
Missing from the list was Walker, who earned less than half a percentage point support, putting the former frontrunner in the same category as long shots like Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore, South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, and former New York Gov. George Pataki.
Walker started the race strong early this year and regularly led polls of Iowa through July, where he’s still hoping to jumpstart a comeback with a strong performance in the state’s caucuses. A combination of
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Yeah, he can be at zero. Like Perry. Like Paul soon will be. These guys just didn’t catch on. I look for Walker to drop out in next 30 days, Paul right after that.
A communist, a moslem and a queer walk into a bar.
I'm of the opinion that these polls are just far too early into the "process." The reality is most American's won't even start paying attention to politics until sometime after the Iowa caucus' and just before or after Labor Day 2016. That's when the polls start getting a little more accurate as the race goes on.
IMO, the only people really paying attention right now are the folks who follow politics every day like you and I do.
The rest of the country, not so much. This is why I don't place any stock in these polls and why I won't be picking a candidate until after the Iowa caucus' and the New Hapmshire Primaries.
Iowa and New Hampshire is going to "thin the herd" and that's when we'll finally see who has staying power and who does not.
I will say this: NO WAY IN HELL WILL I VOTE FOR ANYONE WHO'S LAST NAME IS BUSH.
And the bartender yells "Hello Mr. President!"
Money will dry up very soon. People aren’t going to donate to someone who doesn’t have a chance.
Guessing you don't live in Wisconsin otherwise you'd know that Walker won his first election as Governor, a recall attempt was made which fizzled out when Walker handily won the recall vote by a wider margin than he did when he first ran, and easily won re-election.
Show me ANY other Governor in the history of our country that (a)Survived a recall vote by a bigger margin than he won office with and; (b)Won three times in five years (election, recall effort, re-election.)
Walker knows how to win, unfortunately those around him and advising him right now certainly don't know what it takes to mount a NATIONAL effort.
I think Walker's fine at home, not worried about him being re-elected as Governor.
Soars in the CNN polls
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Sores in the CNN polls...fixed it.
LOL!
I like Walker. Taking on and defeating public sector unions is a priority to me. He is the only one of the group that has really done it, and sparked a right to work movement in many states. Saying that, there is no point in dismissing polls we/you/us don't like. Walker was simply overshadowed by Trump, Fiorina and Rubio. I thought Carson had a bad debate and it shows in this poll, but he is still popular and is another candidate sucking the oxygen out of the room for guys like Walker.
It's just one poll, but the results look reasonable and believable.
We will need to see more scientific polling to really see if the race has changed. Note to Trump supporters - click bait non scientific Drudge, Time or Newsmax polls don't mean anything. If they did, you should be shocked Ron Paul isn't President.
Don’t have to tell people here that these polls are more about pushing the (leftie) narrative than accurately reflecting reality. And since the Trump Is A Joke narrative failed, we’ve moved on to Trump Is Fading.
But if failed neoliberal businesswoman Fiorina is the best they can do, the ‘mainstream’ globalist/open borders crowd is in trouble.
All Polls conducted from any source are most deceptive, as far as I’m concerned every Pollster has an agenda and therefore irrelevant, I get it as long as the Polls show support for your candidate they are great, Walker is not my candidate but I will not be discouraged when my candidate comes up short in the Polls it is a scam, don’t be fooled.
Now I know many will disagree with me but that is my opinion based solely on observation over many years, if your observation is different, so be it, towards the end the Polls might be more significant but they are wrong as often as they are right, maybe more so, it is a close call.
CRUZ 2016!
Well glad to hear he’s at least secure in Wisconsin and guaranteed re-election there.
Carly supported the DREAM act in her fail at the US senate and crows about her relationship with Jesse Jackazz. And who knows what else. She’s GOP establishment.
Fiorina Cruella Deville has a ton of baggage that the typical debate viewer was not aware of. She is according to her ex-husband, an amoral narcissistic sociopath who will say or do anything to get ahead. And she actually has the record to prove what he says.
Even after spending 100 million dollars of her own money Fiorina wasn’t even able to take out Barbara Boxer in a “Republican” year.
The narrative is where everyone else failed, only CNN succeeded in killing Trump by presenting an alternative (the alternative that was rejected by Fox)
Carly's bounce will fade in a week once Trump ramps it up.
If Walker is at half a point, there’s no need for him to drop out. Maybe he’s trying to exceed expectations in Iowa (just kidding). Seriously, I don’t want to split the conservative vote, but Pawlenty probably dropped out too early last time. As the others were being picked off, he might have gotten another shot in 2012. He would have been marginally acceptable rather than Romney.
Cruz is my #1, I like that Trump may chase John Ellis Bush out early. The GOP-E isn’t close to suing for peace. Neither are we. If Trump has won 30 primaries by plurality and no one else has won 8, and the GOP-E strong arms drop outs into supporting John Ellis Bush or similar, the convention will make 1964 look like Versailles.
The Castle hates/fears Trump; wanted Jeb, will settle for Carly Fiorina.
Walker may have cashed his cheque, but we don't rely on The Ministry of Spin for any matter great or small.
Fiorina is being pumped up by crony insiders on her rolodex.
the dirty secret about the full page NYT ad is, FIORINA’S SUPER PAC PAID FOR THE AD! (coordination?) She is a paper tiger for wallstreet trump-o-phobes.
(btw it is still early, we need to knock out the kiddie table candidates and the bottom 6 of the main card debates)
This headline is far too gleeful. And then I see published by MSNBC. Quell surprise!
Our Soviet-Style Media can’t help revealing itself, can it?
You have to have a credible campaign, persona, and result.
Scott doesn’t.
He is probably a great guy. Just not a great Presidential Candidate.
” A combination of Trump’s rise, two weak debates, and a string of inconsistent answers on policy questions slowed his momentum however and have relegated him to the bottom tier of the field in recent polls.”
That’s dead bang on: excellent summary of what went wrong for Walker.
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