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Two Winners and Four Losers in CNN’s GOP Debate
Pajamas Media ^
| 09/17/2015
| Paula Bolyard
Posted on 09/17/2015 9:50:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Heres my 10-minute summary of the CNN Republican debate (which should have been renamed the CNN-Pssst-did-you-hear-that-nasty-thing-one-Republican-said-about-another-Republican debate):
The Winners:
Marco Rubio and Carly Fiorina were the two standouts in Wednesdays debate.
Rubio brought an appealing mix of the common touch and tough talk on foreign policy to the debate stage. Unlike some other candidates, he didnt seem like he was elbowing his way into the debate, so it “felt” like he was a featured speaker. He sounded like the grownup in the room when he tussled with Trump on foreign policy. Trump grimaced and rolled his eyes, but offered no substantive rebuttal. Rubio has a nice way of dispensing with an opponent without sounding angry.
Fiorina was smart and scrappy. Her Planned Parenthood screed was fantastic. She rightly redirected the focus away from the faux womens healthcare straw man (straw woman?) to the real issue of Planned Parenthood selling chopped-up babies. Other candidates ought to take note. Carly does need to soften her edges a bit because she tends to dial it up to harsh and stay there.
Middle of the Pack:
Ted Cruz was brilliant and in command of the facts (despite the fact that Jake Tapper cut him off at nearly every pass). It occurred to me that Mike Huckabee could do a great service to his country by dropping out of the race and coaching Cruz on the common touch. Cruzs talking points are spot on, but he is missing warmth and the ability to connect on a personal level.
Mike Huckabees shining moment was his defense of religious liberty. He noted that GITMO prisoners are afforded more religious accommodations than county clerks in Kentucky. He has a point.
Chris Christie also had a good night and he landed some solid blows in Trumps direction. But he was crowded out by Carly and Rubio, so viewers will likely only remember his You kids stop fighting or Ill pull this debate over! moment when he told Carly and Trump to knock it off.
Walker had some good moments, but not enough of them. I honestly do not remember one thing he said.
Jeb Bush didn’t do anything to help himself in this debate, but he wasn’t as terrible as he could have been and didn’t cede any of his (already shaky) ground. That business about his wife was really cringeworthy. Rule #1: Dont dare Donald Trump to do something in a debate youre not 100% sure hell agree to. Basically, that rules out pretty much anything except asking him to mug for the camera. There was also way too much, Nuh uh. Yes huh! I realize he needed to punch back at Trump and defend his record, but his personality doesnt lend well to those types of exchanges, mostly because hes not quick enough with the rhetorical retorts.
The Losers:
Ben Carson was out of his element. Completely. And it was almost uncomfortable. His quip about Trump being an okay doctor was clever, but you got the sense that he had been waiting the entire debate to use it.
Donald Trump, as usual, was boorish and didn’t give substantive answers to important questions. From his patronizing attempt to salvage his remarks about Carlys face to his strange comments about Rand Pauls looks, Trump demonstrated once again that he is not a man of character. Over and over again he deflected serious policy question with clever laugh lines and insults.
Rand Paul tried to salvage his floundering campaign with appeals to the hardcore libertarians who supported his father, but he was too wonky and not likable.
John Kasich’s answers on foreign policy were bizarre. He seriously defended Obama’s Iran deal. And then he didn’t. Or did he? Who knows? He said two things that are in conflict: a) We shouldn’t trust the Iranians and b) if they cheat, the sanctions should be lifted. That’s Obama’s position, right? I also didn’t like his lecture about the American people not wanting to hear about these policy debates. That’s another line from Obama’s playbook…shut your opponents up by crying about how partisan they are while doing the exact same thing in another sentence.
Also in the Loser Category:
Add CNN to the list of losers. The debate format was terrible. Some candidates disappeared for 15-20 minutes at a time — as did moderators Dana Bash and Hugh Hewitt. A disproportionate number of questions focused on Donald Trump — who said what about whom and what did Donald Trump think about that? Granted, viewers were tuned in to watch the Trump sideshow, but one would hope to see some civic responsibility on CNN’s part (I know, I’m dreaming). Instead, they chose to pour gas on the Trump bonfire — burn, baby, burn. Dana Lash played the role of debate partisan Candy Crowley, injecting Planned Parenthood’s agenda into her questions, and Hugh Hewitt had an odd, flirty Trump swoon that was disappointing.
Also in the Winner Category:
The Reagan Library. The debate platform with Reagan’s plane in the background was fantastic.
Which candidates did you think were the winners and losers?
TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arkansas; US: California; US: Florida; US: Kentucky; US: New Jersey; US: New York; US: Ohio; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2016election; bencarson; candycrowley; carlyfiorina; chrischristie; cnn; debate; debatetranscipt; donaldtrump; election2016; gop; hughhewitt; jaketapper; jebbush; johnkasich; marcorubio; mikehuckabee; plannedparenthood; randpaul; reaganlibrary; tedcruz
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To: SeekAndFind
To: BigEdLB
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:05:05 AM PDT
by
Alas Babylon!
(As we say in the Air Force, "You know you're over the target when you start getting flak!")
To: Resettozero
This summary/analysis sounds as if it were written by a silly girl.
Well, that’s pretty much the electorate.
To: SeekAndFind
While I agree with the two winners here, they both did a lot to boost themselves even though they have no shot, putting Trump in the loser category is wrong.
His miscue was the casino thing, he was dead on with the other stuff.
I cannot wait to see him dismantle Shrillary.
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:05:36 AM PDT
by
RiseUpPatriots
(Trump/whoever, the country wins.)
To: SeekAndFind
I agree with most of the overview. Although Trump wasn’t that bad.....he should have been put into the middle of the pack in my opinion.
25
posted on
09/17/2015 10:05:40 AM PDT
by
napscoordinator
(Walker for President 2016. The only candidate with actual real RESULTS!!!!! The rest...talkers!)
To: I Hired Craig Livingstone
To: Resettozero
Cruzs talking points are spot on, but he is missing warmth and the ability to connect on a personal level.
Some of what is written is true though......Cruz really doesn’t show any warmth when he talks....he’s sorta a robot.
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:07:13 AM PDT
by
napscoordinator
(Walker for President 2016. The only candidate with actual real RESULTS!!!!! The rest...talkers!)
To: livius
Or Supreme Court Justice!!!
28
posted on
09/17/2015 10:09:30 AM PDT
by
ontap
To: Jane Long
Man, the GOPee is in full RINO Rubio/FioRINO mode, today, arent they?
Yeah but these kinda won the debate.....would I rather have Walker win the debate? Yes but he didn’t......Trump did better then the article says but he was as good as always. Rubio was on fire last night and Carly did herself good. I don’t think it has to do with GOPe at all. It is who performed the best......that is all that should matter.....who did well during the debate and nothing else.
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:10:25 AM PDT
by
napscoordinator
(Walker for President 2016. The only candidate with actual real RESULTS!!!!! The rest...talkers!)
To: SeekAndFind
"Fiorina was smart and scrappy. Her Planned Parenthood screed was fantastic. She rightly redirected the focus away from the faux womens healthcare straw man (straw woman?) to the real issue of Planned Parenthood selling chopped-up babies. Other candidates ought to take note. Carly does need to soften her edges a bit because she tends to dial it up to harsh and stay there."
Although I missed the last 3rd of the debate, what I saw of Fiorina's replies were impressive. Both my wife and I were surprised. She obviously deserved to be on that stage.
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:12:26 AM PDT
by
A Navy Vet
(An Oath is Forever)
To: SeekAndFind
To: SeekAndFind
Why doesn't CNN/FAUX/ETC just set up a "TRUMP CHANNEL", hire a talking head and repeat every five minutes.....
TRUMP IS A LOSER
TRUMP IS LOSING
TRUMP'S 15 MINUTES IS UP NOW
AND SO FORTH AND SO ON
That way everybody who wants can get their "LETS ALL HATE TRUMP" fix as needed!
GEEEZ!!
32
posted on
09/17/2015 10:12:56 AM PDT
by
Fiddlstix
(Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
To: SeekAndFind
Drudge Poll versus bs GOPe/ABCNNBCBS/COMPOST/NYSlimes:
TRUMP 52.31% (327,272 votes)
FIORINA 21.59% (135,095 votes)
RUBIO 6.38% (39,911 votes)
CRUZ 5.99% (37,449 votes)
PAUL 4.31% (26,956 votes)
CARSON 4.2% (26,268 votes)
CHRISTIE 1.36% (8,523 votes)
KASICH 1.25% (7,802 votes)
BUSH 1.23% (7,695 votes)
WALKER 0.77% (4,833 votes)
HUCKABEE 0.61% (3,808 votes)
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:13:35 AM PDT
by
Grampa Dave
(So much... concern about Trump's campaign from those who don't like him. Strange!?? Cui Bono?)
To: SeekAndFind
The big winners: The Democrats.
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:14:44 AM PDT
by
dfwgator
To: Grampa Dave
If the Drudge polls meant anything John McCain and Mitt Romney would have beaten Obama handily in the general election.
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:17:02 AM PDT
by
Artemis Webb
(Let me know if you want on The Baseball Ping List)
To: napscoordinator
Some of what is written is true though......Cruz really doesnt show any warmth when he talks....hes sorta a robot.And he looks like a kid in his dad's borrowed suit. Some kind of weird combination of wide shoulders and a small head. The guy might be right on everything, but he doesn't come off well on television.
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:18:16 AM PDT
by
Bubba Ho-Tep
("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
To: Cicero
Except for a few improvs, all Carly’s answered are canned. I heard every thing she said yesterday, almost line for line, at the Republican Convention last week.
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:19:26 AM PDT
by
Hildy
(God bless America, God bless SIlverton, Colorado and God protect us from the EPA.)
To: SeekAndFind
Painful to say so, but this is a good summary.
Don’t care for Rubio and Fiorina, but they did well.
Cruz was cut off a lot...needs to be more assertive to finish his point.
Trump did better than the author notes, but she did capture his two low points.
Kasich needs to drop out.
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:19:55 AM PDT
by
kidd
To: napscoordinator
I heard Cruz speak last week in front of 1800 women and he was warm and funny. Something happens when he gets on that stage.
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posted on
09/17/2015 10:20:02 AM PDT
by
Hildy
(God bless America, God bless SIlverton, Colorado and God protect us from the EPA.)
To: dfwgator
Yup. Watching the circular firing squad doing their job for them.
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