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1 posted on 09/09/2015 10:03:11 AM PDT by xzins
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As John Knox stated, “True it is, God has commanded kings to be obeyed; but likewise true it is, that in things which they commit against His glory, He has commanded no obedience, but rather, He has approved, yea, and greatly rewarded, such as have opposed themselves to their ungodly commandments and blind rage.” Calvin was even more blunt: “For earthly princes lay aside their power when they rise up against God, and are unworthy to be reckoned among the number of mankind. We ought, rather, to spit upon their heads than to obey them.” In support of this assertion, the Reformers could point to no shortage of biblical examples, including such luminaries as David and Daniel.

2 posted on 09/09/2015 10:03:37 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their Victory!)
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"It was Sunday morning early in the year 1776. In the church where Pastor Muhlenberg preached, it was a regular service for his congregation, but a quite different affair for Muhlenberg himself. Muhlenberg's text for the day was Ecclesiastes 3 where it explains, 'To everything there is a season, a time for every purpose under heaven; a time to be born, and a time to die, a time to plant, and a time to pluck what is planted...'"

"Coming to the end of his sermon, Peter Muhlenberg turned to his congregation and said, 'In the language of the holy writ, there was a time for all things, a time to preach and a time to pray, but those times have passed away.' As those assembled looked on, Pastor Muhlenberg declared, 'There is a time to fight, and that time is now coming!' Muhlenberg then proceeded to remove his robes revealing, to the shock of his congregation, a military uniform."

"Marching to the back of the church he declared, 'Who among you is with me?' On that day 300 men from his church stood up and joined Peter Muhlenberg. They eventually became the 8th Virginia Brigade fighting for liberty."

"Frederick Muhlenberg, Peter's brother, was against Peter's level of involvement in the war. Peter responded to Frederick writing, 'I am a Clergyman it is true, but I am a member of the Society as well as the poorest Layman, and my Liberty is as dear to me as any man, shall I then sit still and enjoy myself at Home when the best Blood of the Covenant is spilling? ...So far am I from thinking that I act wrong, I am convinced it is my duty to do so and duly I owe to God and my country."



A Christian who isn't politically active is no Christian at all.


3 posted on 09/09/2015 10:05:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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Martin Luther supported tyrannical civil authority when it came to the bloody repression of the Peasants Revolt.

To kill a peasant is not murder; it is helping to extinguish the conflagration. Let there be no half measures! Crush them! Cut their throats! Transfix them! Leave no stone unturned! To kill a peasant is to destroy a mad dog!

I wouldn't lovingly compare him to Kim Davis.

6 posted on 09/09/2015 10:15:57 AM PDT by agere_contra (Hamas has dug miles of tunnels - but no bomb-shelters.)
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LEX,REX


20 posted on 09/09/2015 10:38:29 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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America was founded on the principles of religious freedom and rule by the people. Our constitution was designed to protect our religious freedom and all of our freedoms by severely restricting the federal government’s powers to only those actually enumerated and delegated to it by the constitution and reserving all others to the states and the people. Control over marriage is not an enumerated power for the feds and is clearly left to the people.

The majority of the people in the majority of the states from before the founding and right up to today are for one man-one woman marriage. The vast majority of the states had laws against same sex marriage before the scotus ruling. Only a handful of states had legislated to make it legal.

The courts have no business and no authority to toss out thousands of years of natural law, nullify our constitutionally protected rights to free exercise of religion, overturn the laws of majority of states, and overrule the majority will of the people!!

We the people do not consent to unjust laws!! Read and comprehend the Declaration of Independence! Unjust laws are not laws at all!!

Resist hell!! The founders would already be up in arms over this tyranny!!


21 posted on 09/09/2015 10:38:41 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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Hans Scholl, Sophie Scholl, and Dietrich Bonhoeffer all bravely resisted government tyranny at the cost of their lives. All three patriotic Germans were executed by the Nazis in the 1942-45 era.

Today, more of us will have to be willing to risk our lives and fortunes in order to save this country from falling further into the abyss.


22 posted on 09/09/2015 10:42:52 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47)
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And Huckabee locked Sen. Cruz out of being with everyone when Ms. Davis was released from jail. Shame. On. Him.


26 posted on 09/09/2015 10:47:33 AM PDT by luvie (Cruz or Lose!)
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An excellent article, especially in a time where so many Caesarists are creeping around preaching abject capitulation to principalities and powers. I am amazed and happy to see it came from NRO.


33 posted on 09/09/2015 11:35:23 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (The mill grinds exceedingly fine.)
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Didn’t the Reformers think that marriage is simply a civil matter? Not that any of them would ever accept ‘gay marriage’ like the civil authorities have. But it seems to me that once it became a civil matter and defined by the civil authorities it became subject to changing in the minds of many, because civil matters have stipulated ways of changing. Thus no-fault divorce, bans on interracial marriage, and now acceptance of ‘gay marriage.’ Heck, the faith groups that have accepted ‘gay marriage’ didn’t even start marrying their gay members until the states they happened to be in also agreed.

Freegards


36 posted on 09/09/2015 11:46:37 AM PDT by Ransomed
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if they mean to have a war—let it begin here—and Now. I will NOT comply with any illegal order— Nor with with any unconstitutional mandate —Neither will I compromise my Conscience.


37 posted on 09/09/2015 11:57:05 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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I will NOT Comply with any illegal order—Nor with any unconstitutional mandate— Neither will I compromise my Conscience. Or as the Code puts it — “I will NEVER surrender of my own free will.”


38 posted on 09/09/2015 11:58:41 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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32. But in that obedience which we hold to be due to the commands of rulers, we must always make the exception, nay, must be particularly careful that it is not incompatible with obedience to Him to whose will the wishes of all kings should be subject, to whose decrees their commands must yield, to whose majesty their sceptres must bow. And, indeed, how preposterous were it, in pleasing men, to incur the offence of Him for whose sake you obey men! The Lord, therefore, is King of kings. When he opens his sacred mouth, he alone is to be heard, instead of all and above all. We are subject to the men who rule over us, but subject only in the Lord. If they command anything against Him let us not pay the least regard to it, nor be moved by all the dignity which they possess as magistrates—a dignity to which no injury is done when it is subordinated to the special and truly supreme power of God. On this ground Daniel denies that he had sinned in any respect against the king when he refused to obey his impious decree (Dan. 6:22), because the king had exceeded his limits, and not only been injurious to men, but, by raising his horn against God, had virtually abrogated his own power.

On the other hand, the Israelites are condemned for having too readily obeyed the impious edict of the king. For, when Jeroboam made the golden calf, they forsook the temple of God, and, in submissiveness to him, revolted to new superstitions (1 Kings 12:28). With the same facility posterity had bowed before the decrees of their kings. For this they are severely upbraided by the Prophet (Hosea 5:11). So far is the praise of modesty from being due to that pretence by which flattering courtiers cloak themselves, and deceive the simple, when they deny the lawfulness of declining anything imposed by their kings, as if the Lord had resigned his own rights to mortals by appointing them to rule over their fellows, or as if earthly power were diminished when it is subjected to its author, before whom even the principalities of heaven tremble as suppliants.

I know the imminent peril to which subjects expose themselves by this firmness, kings being most indignant when they are contemned. As Solomon says, “The wrath of a king is as messengers of death” (Prov. 16:14). But since Peter, one of heaven’s heralds, has published the edict, “We ought to obey God rather than men” (Acts 5:29), let us console ourselves with the thought, that we are rendering the obedience which the Lord requires, when we endure anything rather than turn aside from piety. And that our courage may not fail, Paul stimulates us by the additional consideration (1 Cor. 7:23), that we were redeemed by Christ at the great price which our redemption cost him, in order that we might not yield a slavish obedience to the depraved wishes of men, far less do homage to their impiety.
John Calvin - Institutes 4.20.35


42 posted on 09/09/2015 2:02:56 PM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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A non-caucused thread about Protestantism?

Hope you don't get banned.

43 posted on 09/09/2015 3:02:56 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be Worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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Whatever else it is, it’s a great title.


44 posted on 09/09/2015 3:12:20 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (Teddy Roosevelt 2016.)
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The “highest level of injury” comes when rulers “persecute God, the author of right in persons, not by any sudden and momentary fury, but with deliberate and persistent attempt to destroy good works for all posterity.”

Selah!

And Amen.

Obviously I don't know Kim Davis personally and I confess I questioned her motives when this story first broke.

I blame my intense skepticism of Democrats (which Kim Davis is) and the Men Seeking Men Media.

So I hereby apologize to Kim Davis and pray that God will bless her beyond measure for shaking us out of our spiritual slumber, standing up for righteousness and not allowing herself to participate in the persecution of God.

50 posted on 09/10/2015 6:33:40 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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Even during the American revolution, there was Catholic support, mostly from Maryland.


52 posted on 09/10/2015 8:32:11 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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Secular Humanism is what the left and the MSM embrace. Man is the upmost moral authority. Man can decide what is right and wrong, and can change his mind at any time. While secular humanism is not a formal religion, it is treated like it is. It does not simply disagree with persons of faith, it views them adversarially. Secular humanists view Christians as competitiors. And what do you do with competitors? You try to beat them. That is what is going on now in our world.


53 posted on 09/10/2015 9:44:42 AM PDT by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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