Posted on 08/14/2015 10:36:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
This segment feels like a new phase in the debate over whether Trump truly qualifies as a populist conservative. For the first two months of Trumpmania, the position taken by his fans essentially was that he gets a pass on not being much of a conservative because he’s such a superb populist. If you hate political correctness, if you’re tired of the political class in Washington talking down to you and then making a hash of every policy they touch, Trump’s your guy. He’s a middle finger to the establishment of both parties, especially to the not-so-conservative-themselves GOP. That’s not the argument Coulter and Hannity are making, though. Cooke comes in here demanding to know how two conservatives as famous as them can possibly be shilling for a guy who’s held the liberal position on every major issue — health care, abortion, guns, eminent domain, you name it — and the answer is … well, he’s had a charge of heart. Or he’s a businessman, therefore he’s allowed to play on both sides of the fence or whatever. Or that his new positions, like the idea that he’s going to get Mexico to pay for a border wall, are actually plausible and worth taking seriously.
Glenn Beck watched this segment live last night and then took to Facebook afterward, wondering if he’d woken up in the Twilight Zone.
He is part of the problem when he by his own admission, buys politicians; he said he identifies his “policies more as a democrat”; he makes President Obama look truly humble; he was very pro abortion until very recently; he still says “don’t defund planned parenthood”; he is pro “assault weapon ban”; he is in favor of a wealth tax that would just “take money out of people’s bank accounts”; he is for boots on the ground in Iraq and ‘taking the oil’ from the Iraqi people; he is a progressive ‘republican'; he says single payer health care works; he said he would give people more than just Obama care; the First Lady would be the first to have posed nude in lesbian porno shots; he said that he keeps all the bibles he is given in a “special place” out side the city – and he only goes to church on Christmas and Easter; he is generally not a likable guy; he has around 16% favorability with Hispanics and he has gone bankrupt 4 times.
This is an honest question. I really want to understand:
Why are big name “conservatives” supporting him? I get it if you are tired of politicians, a republican progressive, or you are only about winning (although those who say they would NEVER vote for him is over 50% of REPUBLICANS). Perhaps you are angry and you just want to make someone pay or just want something done and you don’t care how it gets done, but what PRINCIPLES does he have that they are attracted to?
I am not talking about the average Joe, I am talking about Sean Hannity or Ann Colter. How about Savage or Rush?
When Cooke confronts her about Trump’s 24-hour flip-flop on whether to defund Planned Parenthood, she’s actually reduced to arguing that that doesn’t prove he’s not conservative, merely that he was ignorant of how the group is funded because he’s not a professional politician. Trump 2016: Easily rolled by liberals because he doesn’t know the issues, but definitely conservative.
Coulter’s not really representative of the big-name conservatives mentioned by Beck in his post because she’s been more open to centrist Republican presidential nominees than they have in the past. She used to love Chris Christie until his Senate appointee in New Jersey voted for the Gang of Eight amnesty bill. She loves Mitt Romney even now, having once gone so far as to write a defense of RomneyCare(!) in the middle of the 2012 primary. That’s not to say her support for Trump isn’t weird, because it is — one thing Christie and Romney had in common circa 2012 was that they were among the GOP’s most electable options. If you wanted to be charitable to Coulter, you could have defended her at the time by claiming that she was merely interested in maximizing the party’s chances of winning. Trump does … not maximize our chances. Still, if she was willing to tolerate conservative heresies from Christie and Romney, it’s no great surprise that she’d tolerate them from him too. Especially since, with his “Mexican rapists” comment early on, he injected one of Coulter’s core themes — crime committed by illegals, a key part of her new book — into the presidential debate. In fact, Coulter defends Romney to this day principally because he pushed self-deportation as a solution to illegal immigration in 2012. She may not be a single-issue voter but immigration appears to be her number one, by far. And Trump’s the guy who’s making the GOP establishment squirm on that point, never mind the fact that he’s awfully squishy on what he’d do about illegals himself.
As for what Beck says about Hannity, Rush, Ingraham, et al., who are normally quick to call out RINOs for their departures from conservative orthodoxy but seem willing to extend Trump an infinite line of credit, you tell me. My theory is that they’re enjoying his anti-establishment fireworks too but that mostly they’re trying to stay on the right side of their audience by not coming after him. They’re perceived in the wider media and among the GOP establishment as conduits to the Republican base; they articulate the concerns of grassroots conservatives and shape opinion about what the grassroots should properly be concerned about. If they go after Trump as a fake and listeners revolt (Erick Erickson’s still getting hate mail a week after disinviting Trump from the Red State Gathering), it’ll be seen as proof that they’re not as much in tune with the base as they thought. Essentially, their own status as supreme channelers of populist conservatism would be trumped by the cult of Trump. That’s not a fight worth picking, especially this early in the campaign. I’d be curious to know what Beck, himself a famous anti-establishmentarian and a guy who sees this from the inside, thinks is the reason his colleagues are falling in line for Trump. It can’t be that they think he’s really a conservative who’d be as principled in resisting Democrats as president as, say, Ted Cruz would be. Can it?
Allahpundit and Cooke are rabid anti-Trump guys. Cooke must post 10 Tweets a day about Trump. Disgusting.
On the other hand, Ann Coulter came across as a harpie.
Oh, I know. She was for Mittens. I find all the GOPe concern for Trump’s conservative credentials touching, though, seeing as they did everything in their power to aid and abet Zero.
People like Charles Cooke and Glenn Beck are clueless.
CONSERVATIVES DO NOT SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP.
Simple as that.
What we do support is his verbal butt kicking on liberals and his straight shooting on basic conservative issue.
With this in mind, however, we know that Trump is likely to turn back on a moments notice and revert to his liberal tactics. And when he does, he will be dismissed. But until then - he is our useful idiot.
HotAir is full blown anti Trump. They were bought by Salem Media (Red State, Townhall, Twitchy, Human Events).
So is NRO, Weekly Standard, Washington Examiner, The Blaze, Daily Caller, WSJ, FOX News, Powerline, Right Scoop, etc.
Drudge, FR and Breitbart only sites not part of anti Trump cartel.
Trump=TRUTH
Charles “C.W.” Cooke is a joke. The C.W. stands for “Constantly Wrong”. If Bill Buckley were still in charge, this stooge wouldn’t even be allowed to sell ads for NR.
Which in funny in the case of FR when you consider just how similar Trump's flip flopping is to Romney's...and many Freepers loathed Romney.
That’s a big fence being straddled..wow.
Because Trump is the only candidate upholding Rule of Law, including the existing immigration laws. Neither the Republican nor Democrat parties are doing so.
Last time I checked those were nominally conservative internet publications. Since Trump is not a consistent, ideologically principled conservative, why would they support him? In my opinion, Trump is a lot like Gov. Christie. Christie knows how to throw down some rhetorical red meat but his policies are not what we're looking for in a president. Likewise, Trump's been all over the map on the issues. We shouldn't trust him. Besides, I don't see him being someone who can do what we really need, which is to transform the Republican party into a truly principled conservative party.
Romney’s past governance of Massachusetts provided all of us here at FR with proof - he is no conservative.
People are supporting Trump to punish the GOPe.
It’s a smart strategy, should have been done effectively a long time ago.
and many Freepers loathed Romney.
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Loath Romney, present tense.
So, you’re saying Trump was/is lying every time he opened/opens his mouth and spouted/spouts some liberal position?
Mmmmkay....
Pray tell — what do you consider a “truly principled conservative party” ?.
By the way, try reading Trump’s book, Time to Get Tough: Making America #1 Again.
Educate yourself before slamming him.
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