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What Donald Trump was up to while John McCain was suffering as a prisoner of war
Washington Post ^ | July 20, 2015 | By Michael E. Miller and Fred Barbash

Posted on 07/20/2015 3:41:21 AM PDT by rickyrikardo

It was the spring of 1968 and Donald Trump had it good.

He was 21 years old and handsome with a full head of hair. He avoided the Vietnam War draft on his way to earning an Ivy League degree. He was fond of fancy dinners, beautiful women and outrageous clubs. Most important, he had a job in his father’s real estate company and a brain bursting with money-making ideas that would make him a billionaire.

“When I graduated from college, I had a net worth of perhaps $200,000,” he said in his 1987 autobiography “Trump: The Art of the Deal,” written with Tony Schwartz. (That’s about $1.4 million in 2015 dollars.) “I had my eye on Manhattan.”

More than 8,000 miles away, John McCain sat in a tiny, squalid North Vietnamese prison cell. The Navy pilot’s body was broken from a plane crash, starvation, botched operations and months of torture.

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To: KeyWest

“As a USN lifer, anyone who straps themselves into a military jet is a hero to me.”

Then you are misusing the word, and you’re not alone.

Naval aviators are brave. They display courage every time they climb into the cockpit. And, they are braver than many others.

But all men should be brave. The designation “hero” used to mean more, and it should be made to mean more again.


141 posted on 07/20/2015 9:55:33 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.hich)
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To: GoneSalt

Not “NOW”, McCain has ALWAYS been the Liberal’s saint: a distinction (R) without a difference (D). These , as we should all know by now, are essentially the same people.


142 posted on 07/20/2015 9:56:58 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: rickyrikardo

This is one of the stupidest comparison you could make.


143 posted on 07/20/2015 9:59:42 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (SEMPER FI!! - Monthly Donors Rock!!)
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To: ScottinVA

Scott:
Seriously? Did you not live ANY of your formative years during Nam? If you served, thanks for your service (truly!). Military service is honorable in the pursuit of Liberty across the globe..

Being deployed at the whim of a politician to make himself look better is not equivalent to serving the Liberty that the USA can offer. My SIL is in Ghanny because he believes that the Afghanistanni people deserve liberty from the tyranny of Islamic rule (HINT: LBJ didn’t care about the liberty of the Vietnamese...he cared more about the political situation related to the war. He lost focus.)

ANYONE, regardless of race or wealth, attempted to get every available deferment available so that they were not sent to LBJ’s meat-grinder. I applaud their efforts...even the men who went to Canada.

LBJ mishandled the war. Even then, he and his advisors’ did so in the WORST WAY. Even Nixon, a know military hawk, couldn’t fix it.


144 posted on 07/20/2015 10:00:43 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Jim Noble

Yes, regarding the designation “hero”-—not too long ago O.J.Simpson was referred to as a “sports hero”, and his friend Cowlings, who chauffered him in that Bronco escape,I actually heard referred to this way “if there is any hero in this thing, it’s Cowlings”.And that’s just scratching the surface on the way that word has been shorn of meaning.


145 posted on 07/20/2015 10:02:17 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: ScottinVA

Trump is bringing dialogue on illegal immigration to the forefront. I applaud that. He cannot run the country like he does the board room, not the same animal. I want Ted Cruz, but like Ted....I don’t plan to slam Trump.


146 posted on 07/20/2015 10:03:45 AM PDT by tioga
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To: GoneSalt

Note to Juan McCain:

This is typical campaign rhetoric.

To paraphrase the Bard of Avon: “Why must thou protest so much?”
Isn’t Trump a member of your party and currently running for POTUS?
Juan, what is your POTUS campaign status and history, hmmmmm?


147 posted on 07/20/2015 10:07:10 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: NormsRevenge

What Donald Trump was up to while John McCain was suffering as a prisoner of war?

And what has Juan done since capitalizing on his POW status. I forget was McLame the only POW there. I don’t see many others out there trying to use their status for self promotion. Juan has long ago worn out his POW ranking. He is now little more then a political hack.


148 posted on 07/20/2015 10:10:23 AM PDT by JayAr36 (What happened to America? Move over Roman Empire we are coming.)
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To: Chainmail
Your characterization of the original anti-war people isn't accurate, at least not from where I was. In college, I was a member of YAF, which was originally anti-war. I was at the national meeting in Boston (1966 I think) when the "conservative" leaders announced that the group supported the Viet Nam war! If anyone else was there, do you remember the group that walked out and instead went to the bridge tournament in the same hotel? Until then, conservatives took a very Pat Buchanan-type view of the world, isolation and keep the US great. Viet Nam was thought of as a globalist adventure with Catholic President Kennedy sending in advisors for globalist and religious reasons, and to fill the gap where France had failed.

Conservatives quickly realized that there were globalists on the left supporting the war to spread their Communist agenda and globalists on the right into it for profit. Isolationists, who I think of as today's Constitutional Conservatives, are still looking for someone who thinks of us as any more than voting fodder.

The original anti-war people didn't want anyone going to war, and didn't really understand why people did. When the leftists took over the protests, it became something very different, something the original anti-war conservatives never bought into.

149 posted on 07/20/2015 10:10:56 AM PDT by grania
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To: rickyrikardo

Fred Barbash -spent most of his journalism career at The Washington Post

150 posted on 07/20/2015 10:13:11 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: rickyrikardo

Michael E. Miller has been named a Morning Mix reporter covering national news for The Washington Post. Miller was most recently a senior writer for Miami New Times. He holds master’s degrees in journalism and Latin American studies from New York University and a bachelor’s degree from the University of Chicago.

151 posted on 07/20/2015 10:15:44 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: flaglady47

Yep. Too jaded to put my trust in a very shaky commodity. If you’re willing to ignore Trump’s past (which I note you did not refute), hey.. go for it.


152 posted on 07/20/2015 10:17:57 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Liberalism is the poison ivy that infests the garden of society.)
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To: supremedoctrine

Good point. Constantly the media interchanges the terms “victim” and “hero” and “celebrity” and “hero.” A bad person can be a victim and/or a celebrity - that does not make him a hero.


153 posted on 07/20/2015 10:19:14 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: tioga

He DID earn hero status for bravery on the front. Flying through the toughest air defense in the world, and landing on a carrier many times. He DID save lives of his fellow Soldiers, being a leader, rendering medical aid to those in his cell. AND WHEN HE WAS OFFERED TO BE SENT HOME TO THE USA...HE SAID NO AND STAYED...TO BE TORTURED FOR YEARS.


154 posted on 07/20/2015 10:20:06 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: MayflowerMadam

I’m waiting for them to do this to Hillary and her ‘lost’ emails. I’m sure they will get around to it ‘someday’! /s


155 posted on 07/20/2015 10:20:14 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: TomasUSMC

I didn’t say he didn’t, I just get that Trump said he earned it after capture. Good debate, though.


156 posted on 07/20/2015 10:23:10 AM PDT by tioga
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To: ScottinVA

I’m listening to Rush on the radio just now, defending Trump and not McCain and the viper MSM. Just sayin ...


157 posted on 07/20/2015 10:24:10 AM PDT by flaglady47 (The useful idiots always go first)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Yes. Seriously.

At what point do we stop at deferments and cross the bridge to draft dodging? Anyone can invent a reason to avoid service in time of war. So where does it stop?


158 posted on 07/20/2015 10:38:47 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Liberalism is the poison ivy that infests the garden of society.)
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To: flaglady47

I did, too.. but I don’t take my cues from Rush.


159 posted on 07/20/2015 10:39:48 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Liberalism is the poison ivy that infests the garden of society.)
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To: miss marmelstein

Koch was a lot of things, but he was a pretty doctrinaire leftist in his 9 years in Congress, earning a 96% left-wing (or 4% Conservative) lifetime rating from the ACU (almost identical to Bella Abzug’s rating). When he was Mayor, he clearly lifted the spirits of the city after 12 years of rank incompetence under Lindsay and the hapless Beame, but he never really was successful with tackling the underlying issues that had been festering since the 1960s (namely the awful crime rates), and by the time he was beaten by the even more execrable Dinkins, the murder rate was at or above 2,000 per year. A lot of flash, warmth and panache, but not a lot of substantive accomplishment (which didn’t come until Giuliani).


160 posted on 07/20/2015 10:43:33 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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