Posted on 07/12/2015 6:33:42 AM PDT by richardskeet
CROWD: Cheers!!!!
CROWD: BOOO!!!!!!
"I just hate to see when people don't have common sense, don't have an understanding of what's going on, or perhaps don't want to know- maybe it's campaign contributions, maybe it's special interests, maybe it's lobbyists, but for some reason, some people don't get it, and I don't think they'll be in office much longer..."
Trump goes into Arizona, his FIRST month running for president, draws a crowd of 10,000 people, and attacks one of the most-powerful Republican Senators, (IN MCCAIN'S HOME STATE!) MCCAIN has been a senator for nearly 30 years! Mccain won the Republican nomination, he has friends in high places, a vast-political machine. TRUMP DOESN'T CARE.
Can you imagine Cruz or Paul hitting Mccain that hard in Arizona?
Trump is a bulldozer, a bull through a china shop. Trump will not be stopped by the Republican blue-bloods, nor their conservative PATSIES complicit in maintaining the status quo. Neither Rand Paul, nor Cruz, nor Rubio really WANT to be president, they want to be patient and wait THEIR turn. Why are they running? They WANT to be second place, this insures they keep their senate jobs for 20+ years, and maybe get a shot in the future.
Ready for the script WITHOUT TRUMP? New Hampshire Primary: Jeb -33% Cruz- 22% Paul- 19% Rubio- 16% Carson-9% Perry-3%
65% conservative (divided)- 33% liberal-moderate.
I've seen this bullshit script again and again since 1984, I'm sick of it. Aren't you? Aren't you fed up with "our" party nominating a candidate that 70% of us find unacceptable? Is it really "our" party?
Jeb has over 100-million dollars ALREADY! After New Hampshire, Jeb gets even stronger, winning state after state; eventually securing the nomination as contributions to the conservative candidates dry up.
100 million dollars. That's how much it will cost, MINIMUM, to win the Republican nomination. Take a look at your favorite candidate, (if it's not Trump,) ask yourself, 'can MY guy raise 100 million dollars?' Unless he's Jeb Bush, the answer is no.
...BUT that script has changed. Now there are 2 candidates with 100 million dollars to spend for the Republican nomination. Trump said he will spend WHATEVER it takes. I take him at his word.
The National Republican Party is broken; it's run by an elite class of blue-blood MODERATE pricks. These men do not care about the common man, the Reagan Democrats, as Pat Buchanan called them "the conservatives of the heart."
What do I mean?
There are many, many, many people who earn poverty-level wages who will NEVER vote Democrat because of abortion, and because of other liberal-Democrat positions. The Democrats abandoned this group long ago.
These folks are conservative ideologically. They hate socialism, (even though they don't really understand economics.) They believe in hard work; can't stand welfare recipients. They want their taxes low, they want school choice- I could go on and on and on-
These people are radical, and they have no place to go.
The Democrats hate them, the Republican elites hate them.
4 weeks ago I was very excited about Cruz, Rubio, Jindal, Rand and a few others. Ideologically I am close to all of them.
Why is Jeb the favorite to win the Republican nomination? Money from the top, political machinery, a sympathetic press, a Republican 'intelligentsia' class-
I've watched for many years as The National Republican Party has drifted from the "common man" conservative; they've nominated moderate after moderate. There has not been a true conservative at the top of the national presidential ticket since Reagan; 1984 was a long time ago.
For those of you who do not like the fact that Trump is impure ideologically: I understand your concern; I share it.
But, Donald does have a few things I REALLY like.
First, Trump's fearless. He says whatever he wants; he'll take the heat, and keep plugging.
Second, Trump's rich, very rich. Why was Pat Buchanan NOT elected president? Money. Look at the Trump platform, it's Buchanan's old-platform from the 90s. Being able to self finance will mean Trump can say things no other Republicans can say,
Third, swagger. When Trump walks into a room, he owns it. On the debate stage, he'll own it; Hillary and Jeb do not have a chance.
Fourth, Trump owns his own megaphone- his twitter account is real- he has many real fans- This is worth millions.
Fifth, Trump = ratings. People tune in to watch him speak! Anderson Cooper gave him 2-nights last week! Last week you could have renamed CNN the "Trump channel."
My hope is conservatives choose one candidate and rally around him.
I choose Trump because: he's the smartest guy; he has the swagger our country needs; he has the resources to fight and win the nomination against the will of the Republican elites who gave us the Bushes, Romney, Dole, Mccain-
Your choice: Jeb or Trump.
“That is, if a Democrat like Hillary wins the White House, but the Republicans can keep control of the House and Senate, it will go a long way to, at least, keep Hillary under control.”
Nice thought, but based on wishful thinking.
What evidence can you point to that will make what you say more than pure speculation?
Brat isn’t a good example of philosophy/message over $$$. How many other under-financed primary candidates succeeded in taking out powerful incumbents? Somehow, McConnell/Boehner/Roberts, et al. managed to win. Again.
We saw it and loved it. Also loved watching The Donald just trash Jebbie. A total howlfest. :-)
False choice = STRAWMAN
Agree?
You can see Cruz going into Arizona, (his first month,) drawing a crowd of 10,000 people, and attacking John Mccain? I can’t.
In fact HE DIDN’T! (So I guess your argument falls apart on face value.)
I can see it, Argument did not fall apart. (Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina more important) FACT
Cruz has raised some money, (before Trump announced,) I wonder how much he will continue to raise if his poll numbers continue falling?
We will see. Won’t we.
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Actually, I think what Trump is doing will set up nicely for Cruz. At some point people will tire of Trump’s bluster but not of his message. At that time many union people will be in the Trump camp. If Trump falters, and he will I believe, the natural beneficiary of his fall will be Cruz, who has many of the same ideas, but not so much ego.
I’m glad Trump is tearing into Jeb like General Patton tore into Nazis but when the dust settles I want a sober sane conservative named Ted Cruz leading the ticket.
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Anybody know the last time McCain drew 10,000? Likely his failed 2008 run
No. A strawman argument would be if I took a point of contention someone else MADE, then twisted it and exaggerated it to a point of near characature, then defeated THAT false-argument. Since I wasnt twisting anyone else’s contention, strawman is not a vallid criticism.
For example if someone took Trump’s comments on illegal immigration, and twisted them to mean Trump is anti immigrant, then proved diversity and legal immigration is beneficial to America as proof Trump is wrong.
“Trump is a racist, this country will never elect a racist.”
“Cruz is a Canadian, this country will never elect a Canadian.”
“Richard uses strawman arguments, therefore I’m correct.”
That’s a strawman argument, twisting someone else’s words or creating a false narrative to create an argument you can win, then “defeating” that false-argument.
I may be premature in my prediction, Trump may implode, it takes more than money to win (just ask Steve Forbes and Perot.) but I did not intentionally employ sophistry to win an argument, I was merely trying to predict the future based on my honest observations of the present.
As a fan of Cruz, Paul, and Rubio I wouldn’t be disappointed with either, so you may be right, and that wouldn’t be a bad thing for me. I object to you saying I created a strawman though, to me that’s equivalent of calling me a liar or a deceiver. (I may be full of shit, but I’m not an intentional deceiver.)
Right now, the prevailing wisdom is Bush is unbeatable, Trump a sideshow- (look at the gambling lines on our election to see the odds on anyone but Jeb and Hillary.) I honestly believe Trump has a real shot at beating Jeb, but if Jeb wins, because the old-back-room-Republican-elite machinery shuts him down, I believe Tump runs as a third party candidate. (And might win.)
Not sure Trump’s ego would let him be vice-anything!
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