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Don’t use my pain as a weapon: Infertility and same-sex ‘marriage’
LifeSiteNews ^ | 6-18-15 | Oliver Olivarez

Posted on 06/20/2015 9:08:35 AM PDT by ReformationFan

June 18, 2015 (ThePublicDiscourse) -- I’m growing weary of being told that I must either support gay marriage or disavow my own marriage. I refer not to anything my wife and I did that would violate the traditional norms of marriage, but to something we had no control over: our ongoing inability to conceive a child.

My wife and I, along with all other childless heterosexual couples, often find ourselves presented as exhibit A in the court of public opinion. Our plight has become a standard response to the main reason for traditional marriage, a reason that until lately was non-controversial: that heterosexual couples’ unique, natural procreative ability gives rise to a state interest in ensuring that their relationships are stable for the sake of the children they potentially will have growing up in their homes.

Put in the form of a question, this is the argument: If children are the state’s primary reason to regulate marriage, then why should it recognize the marriages of infertile couples? Why not follow the proposal of Plato in the Laws that infertile marriages should be invalidated? Or, to redirect the question, why should these be recognized as marriages but not the relationships of homosexual couples? Aren’t homosexual couples effectively interchangeable with infertile heterosexual couples insofar as the state and society should be concerned?

Although this may be an effective debating point, it is grotesquely unreal when considered from the lived experience of infertility—the harsh and unhappy reality of what it is like to be an infertile couple waiting every month for a child that never comes.

The Private Pain of Infertility

For all the sturm und drang of pundits, few infertile couples have weighed in either way. Our silence is understandable, both because there is no unanimity of religious or political outlook among infertile couples and because the pain of infertility is intensely private. The agonizing progression of medical tests and despair is rarely shared publicly, and those who wonder whether a couple’s childlessness is an intentional application of modern medical technology or an example of its limitations are rarely so tactless as to broach the subject uninvited.

And so it is in silence that my wife and I live through our cycles of concern, hope, despair, and acceptance. We had always wanted children and were determined to make child-rearing work regardless of our student debt and work hours. We never used contraception, and we married in our early twenties. After a while, it became clear that something was wrong, so we embarked on batteries of awkward and painful medical tests. Every avenue has failed to produce a diagnosis, and the passing years of marriage have failed to produce a child. Several fertility drugs were to no avail, as was surgery. For ethical reasons, we will not use IVF or surrogacy.

And so we are entering our thirties without a reason why we have no children, yet with no real hope of having a child naturally. I don’t know if a definitive diagnosis would be better or worse than not knowing—whether it would bring some closure or would only inflict more wounds. I do know that these painful experiences illuminate the differences between our marriage and homosexual relationships.

Infertility as Loss

Infertility does not invalidate our marriage, but we constantly experience infertility as an inability to fulfill a basic aspect of marriage. It is a loss for us in a way that it can never be for a same-sex couple, who can never have expected fertility together. Our relationship is ordered toward having children, even if it is frustrated and kept from this fulfillment.

To return to Plato, love desires fecundity. Love wishes to have children with the Beloved. And while Plato’s Symposium gave precedence to the children of the mind, physical procreation has its place even in his system, a place that has been further exalted by the Christian contributions to the Western tradition. Even the Greeks, despite their frequent tolerance (and sometimes even enthusiasm) for some homosexual relations, never conflated such relationships with marriage.

Love, erotic or intellectual, between two men could never be fruitful in the physical way that it could be between men and women. Physical sterility is the natural order for homosexual couples, and is dictated by their sexual proclivities, which are in direct conflict with the possibility of natural procreation.

There is a clear distinction (whether considered in ontological, teleological, or experiential terms) between homosexual couples and infertile heterosexual couples. For the latter, childlessness is not intrinsic to their relationship. Rather, whether due to illness, age, or deliberate action, it is a loss from the fullness of what their marriage should be. For those who are voluntarily sterile, it is an intentional avoidance of that fulfillment—an avoidance that has traditionally been condemned. For same-sex couples, the question does not even arise, because fertility is never a natural fulfillment of their relationship. No matter what medical advances may be made against age, illness, and injury, homosexual relations will remain intrinsically sterile.

The Connection between Marriage and Children

Redefining marriage to include same-sex unions severs the connection between marriage and children in a way that recognizing the marriages of childless heterosexual couples does not. The possibility and even the desire to have children together must be discarded upfront. Instead of being viewed as an important aspect of marital love that some couples will, by mischance or age, be unable to fulfill, bearing children and raising them together becomes entirely optional, even more than in the case of voluntarily sterile couples.

The reality that my wife and I, by some still-unknown mischance, have yet to conceive is an imperfection that we feel keenly and on a daily basis. We will presumably never learn what combining our particular genetics might have produced—what features, traits, and attributes we would have seen passed on to our children. No matter how much we dote on our canine co-evolutionary buddies, they will never say “I love you” to us. The Legos I saved from my childhood will continue to sit in a box.

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However, our infertility does not make our relationship interchangeable with one in which childlessness can never be felt as a loss because fertility was never, and could never, be an option within it. As is often noted, it would be absurd and intrusive for the government to try to withhold marriage licenses from infertile heterosexual couples. This absurdity would only be heightened by the fallibility of fertility tests, with which my wife and I are all too familiar. However, it can be confidently predicted that no homosexual couple will ever procreate together naturally.

Adoption is a possibility, of course, but it usually necessitates a great deal of additional expense and trouble on top of the already considerable burdens of parenting. Thus far we have lacked the career and financial stability to spend tens of thousands of dollars in order to adopt a child. Furthermore, while it is often a loving and noble undertaking, adoption always involves trauma, insofar as it requires the death, incapacitation, or unsuitability of both natural parents. We hope that one day the evil of infertility and the evil of orphanhood will be redeemed in the good of adoption, but it is not yet for us.

If and when we do adopt, we will offer a child both a mother and a father, thereby providing the closest restoration available to the natural family that has been lost. Thus, even in adoption, an infertile heterosexual marriage displays essential differences from homosexual ones, which in adoption always deprive a child once again of either a mother or a father.

The case for gay marriage may be constructed on a variety of other supports than the supposed interchangeability of homosexual relationships with those of childless heterosexual couples, and this essay has no pretensions of settling the same-sex marriage debate. However, it should be clear that the casual comparison between homosexual couples and infertile heterosexual marriages is not only facile and foolish—it is hurtful, callously disregarding the lived experience of infertile couples.

Neither a same-sex couple nor an infertile opposite-sex couple is able to conceive naturally. For one couple, this is predictable and intrinsic to the nature of their relationship. For the other, it is a painful, often unexpected injury to the nature of their marriage.

Oliver Olivarez is a character in GK Chesteron’s The Surprise. The author using this pseudonym holds a PhD in political theory and yearns for the day when young academics may speak freely without fear of having their careers destroyed. Reprinted with permission from The Witherspoon Institute.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fecundity; homosexualagenda; infertility; moralabsolutes; naturalmarriage; oliverolivarez
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1 posted on 06/20/2015 9:08:36 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

If and when we do adopt, we will offer a child both a mother and a father, thereby providing the closest restoration available to the natural family that has been lost. Thus, even in adoption, an infertile heterosexual marriage displays essential differences from homosexual ones, which in adoption always deprive a child once again of either a mother or a father. ///

Excellent article.


2 posted on 06/20/2015 9:15:56 AM PDT by dp0622
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To: ReformationFan

I feel very bad for infertile couples. We were lucky. I practically wink at my wife and she’s pregnant. but I understand the very real pain for couples that can’t concieve. My sister and her husband tried for years. They finally adopted a littel girl when my sister was 42.

It’s sad, but anyone who thinks 2 dads or 2 moms are better than a natural dad and mom is just dellusional. Unfortunately, we live in a world where if you say that out loud you’re immediately labled a bigot or worse by about 50% of the population. Oh well.


3 posted on 06/20/2015 9:18:12 AM PDT by strider44
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To: ReformationFan

Excellent !


4 posted on 06/20/2015 9:36:56 AM PDT by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: ReformationFan

Infertile couples have had some success with NFP.


5 posted on 06/20/2015 9:52:32 AM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: ReformationFan

Homosexual “marriage” mocks infertile couples.


6 posted on 06/20/2015 9:54:18 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: ReformationFan

Adding insult to injury:

Injured combat veterans face ban on IVF coverage
http://www.stripes.com/news/veterans/injured-combat-veterans-face-ban-on-ivf-coverage-1.348696


7 posted on 06/20/2015 10:02:04 AM PDT by Qiviut ( One of the most delightful things about a garden is the anticipation it provides. ~W.E. Johns)
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To: ReformationFan
I believe that any argument which relies on the state interest is dependent on the premise that we exist to serve or benefit the state. This is a backwards proposition, government exists to benefit us. Law should be for our interest rather than the state. Simply put, an argument that relies on state interest is statism.
8 posted on 06/20/2015 10:13:41 AM PDT by Roland (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: strider44

who cares what other idiots call you? This touchy, feeley garbage has to be shown for what it is,,,,,just another form of control.


9 posted on 06/20/2015 10:15:22 AM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: ReformationFan
Let's look at it this way: an infertile hetero couple may not be able to conceive, but that is an anomaly. Under normal conditions, they could.

However, under NO circumstances can a homo couple conceive. Ever. That inability is not an anomaly; it is a biological imperative.

So to compare the two is specious. But specious is all the Left has.

10 posted on 06/20/2015 10:21:03 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: ReformationFan

This is kind of off topic, but I was watching TMZ last night (I know, I know) and they were talking about did what’s her name Jenner accept her father’s “transition” to a woman.

Now, maybe she does and maybe she doesn’t, but what struck me was that EVERYBODY seems to think if she doesn’t she’s a bad person. Maybe one gal there stuck up for that point of view.

I feel bad for her and for Cher. I don’t know what I would do in such a situation but saying: hey that’s great! wouldn’t be it.


11 posted on 06/20/2015 10:39:20 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: IronJack
But specious is all the Left has.

I sincerely believe in the very near future, we'll be getting told that 2 lesbians had a baby. A male who identifies as a female and a lesbian (which is what Bruce Jenner says with his penis intact), will unite with a lesbian female who has her equipment intact, and the 2 will produce a child.

The headline will read "Lesbians produce baby". It will not go into the details, because to do so would be an affront to the transgendered person.

Brainwashing 101 -- repeat the lie always, everywhere, and with emphasis.

12 posted on 06/20/2015 10:42:12 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
And most have not.

I was able to conceive but never was able to carry to term. Some friends of mine in the group were never able to conceive at all.

Sometimes the body just does not work properly. Or if you prefer, sometimes it does not work normally.

13 posted on 06/20/2015 11:01:06 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: strider44

Well one thing I do know it’s not white privledge.


14 posted on 06/20/2015 11:01:30 AM PDT by ully2
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To: ReformationFan

For those with infertility problems, there is an increasingly popular fertility diet that seems to help many people. It hasn’t had much publicity in the US, but it has elsewhere.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/meet-mum-of-two-who-reversed-infertility-5884383

A mother of two who reversed her infertility through a 2,500 calorie per-day, 98% beef diet and no exercise.

While the keto effect can be attributed to her weight loss, the fat may also have contributed to the restoration of her fertility.


15 posted on 06/20/2015 11:22:10 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: strider44

Most people, if they were honest, would acknowledge that they would prefer to have been raised by a father and a mother, not 2 fathers or 2 mothers. I’m willing to bet that those who say otherwise are either lying to advance and agenda, or they had an abusive parent and are voicing an emotional reaction connecting the abuse to the gender of the parent rather than stating a true preference.


16 posted on 06/20/2015 11:50:22 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: ReformationFan
There is a clear distinction (whether considered in ontological, teleological, or experiential terms) between homosexual couples and infertile heterosexual couples. For the latter, childlessness is not intrinsic to their relationship. Rather, whether due to illness, age, or deliberate action, it is a loss from the fullness of what their marriage should be. For those who are voluntarily sterile, it is an intentional avoidance of that fulfillment—an avoidance that has traditionally been condemned. For same-sex couples, the question does not even arise, because fertility is never a natural fulfillment of their relationship. No matter what medical advances may be made against age, illness, and injury, homosexual relations will remain intrinsically sterile.

I wish he'd led with this rather than the boo-hooing about his pain - emotionalism is the enemy's battleground where he always has the advantage.

17 posted on 06/20/2015 12:26:37 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: strider44

“It’s sad, but anyone who thinks 2 dads or 2 moms are better than a natural dad and mom is just dellusional. Unfortunately, we live in a world where if you say that out loud you’re immediately labled a bigot or worse by about 50% of the population. Oh well.”

When people who simply state long known natural truths are labeled as bigots or worse by anyone then you may know the fool or coward who follows a crowd into nonsense.

As for infertility, that is such a thing that no man or woman of age may ever know that with such certainty at to justify state acknowledgement before there is proof.

When however there is proof of such a condition it has long been held that was ground for either party to request a divorce. This is of course their option not their requirement, because every form of such ‘proof’ is subject to interpretation and opinion..

There are after all many case the world over and thouout history where men or women who have been declared infertile later went on to have children naturally anyway. Our history is full of such ‘miracles’ but never a miracles where two men had conceived a child.


18 posted on 06/20/2015 6:01:28 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: xzins

Jenner calls himself a woman while still keeping his male equipment what the ;&;$!


19 posted on 06/20/2015 7:34:57 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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Not only does he have his penis, but he also identifies as a lesbian...a ‘girl’ who likes girls. It’s all one big sad joke, and for there to be serious-minded people going along with this is crazy.


20 posted on 06/21/2015 2:12:55 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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