Posted on 06/01/2015 2:48:23 AM PDT by iowamark
http://www.redstate.com/2015/05/30/rand-paul-pac-runs-birther-ad-attacking-ted-cruz/
“Rand Paul PAC runs birther ad attacking Ted Cruz”
Not sure I like the answer by folks saying they “wouldn’t invade Iraq now” knowing what they know now. The better answer is, like what this guy said, “If I knew Obama would reverse all our gains.”
There is no reason to be ashamed of the Iraq war. Letting the Left pressure us into feeling shame for it is basically letting them conquer the narrative and re-write the history of that conflict.
As far as the NSA is concerned, Rand Paul would be a lot more effective if he had gone after the justifications for domestic spying. We’re importing muslims and have a wide open border virtually assuring there are terrorists among us.
Had he done so he might have been able to do some actual good. Instead, he grandstands and has morons believing that the NSA simply closed up shop and quit the domestic spying.
So how are we not responsible? The regime change mentality actually goes back to George 1 in Iraq, Clinton in Yugoslavia, then on steroids with George 2 and Obama.
>>we would do well to remember that this is a man who believes the GOP created ISIS.<<
Did we not create one of the most cruel, sadistic men in Iraq...Saddam and his evil sons? Did we not create the Iranian revolution? Did we not arm Islamist factions in Libya that then turned weapons against us and kill our ambassador?
Rand Paul was speaking about middle east policy run amok, not so much as we created this evil plaguing the land. It is failed policies that give rise to psycho nuts with really really advanced weaponry.
Here is what Paul said...."ISIS exists and grew stronger because of the hawks in our party who gave arms indiscriminately, and most of those arms were snatched up by ISIS. They created these people"
He did not say that ..."the GOP created ISIS".
He particularly calls out "hawks in our party who gave arms..."
To think that ISIS could have taken over as much territory as they have without any advanced weapons is very naive. Paul is objectively right.
Of course he said the republicans created Isis, you quoted him.
“ISIS exists.... because of the hawks in our party”
Are you missing the “the hawks in our party who...”?
He is blaming it on specific individuals who supported a particular policy (indiscriminately giving weapons to Sunni Islamists) and who also happen to be in HIS party.
Basically, he is pointing a finger at McCain and Lyndsey Graham, whose criticism of him prompted this statement on Morning Joe.
I agree
“ISIS exists.... because of the hawks in our party”
He is blaming it on a political party, the republicans.
Not the democrats, not Obama, not the left, “our party” created ISIS.
“Our party”? What are you, an RNC shill? I’m a conservative, not a Republican and Rand is right. The McCain’s and Grahams of the GOP played a strong part in its creation
Are you an idiot, you don’t know that QUOTE is what the thread is about?
I was quoting Rand Paul, “our party” Rand Paul is a republican, running to be the nominee for his party, which is the GOP.
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Amen to that.
Would I be blaming it on "our country"? Or would I be blaming it on the misguided policies of some "libs in our country"? Also, the responsibility of the Obama administration is implied. The "hawks in our party" can not unilaterally "give arms indiscriminately" to jihadi groups. They advocated for the Obama administration and supported them as they did it.
That isn’t what he said, he said that “our party” created ISIS, Republican party leaders created ISIS according to Paul.
Not the democrats, not the left, not Obama, not even ISIS itself, the GOP did, is the message that Paul is delivering to the American public.
If you are referring to my comparison to libs and country, it is an analogy. X is to Y as A is to B. If you take out "libs" and "country" and put in "hawks" and "party" it is the same notion. Am I blaming our country or am I blaming the bad policies of libs? Compare that to what he said. Is he blaming the party or is he blaming the failed policy of hawks.
On the other hand if you are referring to the part where you claim he doesn't blame Obama, that is ridiculous. Paul and the people he was talking to at Morning Joe know who is in the White House and they are knowledgeable enough about how government works to know that one party in congress can't actually give arms to a foreign group themselves.
Let's break this down...
1.) Paul is attacked by Lyndsay Graham on National Security grounds.
2.) Paul is asked about this attack on the Morning Joe show.
3.) Instead of attack Graham back directly, he lumps him in with other "hawks in our party" who he believes have contributed to the threat of ISIS.
I distinctly remember reading FR and seeing images of John McCain arm in arm with either jihadis or actual ISIS members (depending on who you ask). You must have been offline for all of those weeks.
Do you think giving arms to the jihadis was a good idea?
If not, why?
Is it because it helped ISIS become as powerful as they have become?
I'm glad to know that when there is a scuffle between the McCain/Graham side of the party and the Paul side of the party, you side with the former.
If you don’t see this GOP presidential candidate blaming “our party”, as telling the general public that republicans created ISIS, then you are blind.
Purposefully so.
So, do you agree with the decision to give arms to the jihadis in Syria?
If not, why not?
If you don’t see this GOP presidential candidate blaming “our party”, as telling the general public that republicans created ISIS, then you are blind.
Purposefully so.
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