Posted on 05/12/2015 8:50:40 PM PDT by dragnet2
Law enforcement officers at Washington, D.C.’s annual Police Week tell The Daily Caller that the anti-police climate is taking its toll on the men and women in uniform and that morale is low in departments across the country.
One source told TheDC Monday night that officers have stepped back from engaging in proactive policing, because they often see the same violent criminals they arrest immediately released on to the streets.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/12/police-officers-morale-is-low-in-departments-across-the-country/
I’m ready for anything but all the poor disarmed souls in this city will make it a spectacle and beg for their overseers to return.
It’s not their fault they were disarmed. It was corrupt law enforcement working for organized crime (one and the same at the highest levels).
http://nypost.com/2012/01/16/the-strange-birth-of-nys-gun-laws/
Nice story.
The police are charged with enforcing laws on the books. When it comes to gun control, they can’t pick and choose.
This the job of the state Legislatures or City Councils in the nation. It is the problem of judges.
If you’re going to do away with the police, you also do away with courts, at least as we have known them.
Officers are the people tasked with enforcing the laws on the books. Good luck when that comes down to Gang leaders arresting and presenting cases to the court.
If you think problems are bad now, you’re simply not thinking if you think things would be better.
If they don't have the public's backing then maybe it's because they don't work for it? Let's look at three recent incidents. Freddy Gray. He did nothing wrong except run. Police had nothing on him, but they chased him and arrested him. According to newspaper reports almost a third of the people arrested by the Baltimore Police are released without charges. In other words police haul people in just to harass them and cause them problems. Why should the public back you then? In Ferguson the whole Michael Brown incident started when Wilson pulled him over for walking in the street. The purpose was to give him a citation and earn a few more bucks for the Ferguson city government. The Fergeson PD is a revenue raising agency and not a law enforcement agency. Many of the North County suburbs are. So if your primary contact with your police is a citation that will cost you time and money then why should the police get your backing? Walter Scott was pulled over, allegedly for a broken tail light. Even if it was true then it's a citation. But if it was an excuse to pull a black guy driving a Merceded over then it was harrassment. Again, when your only contact with the police will cost you time and money then why should you feel any sense of support for them? If police feel detached from their public then maybe it's because they work hard at alienating them?
No, that's just your functional illiteracy.
You admitted the lie. Have a nice day.
You can say the same about the oil boom in ND, or any industry that brings growth to a state.
“The police are charged with enforcing laws on the books. When it comes to gun control, they can’t pick and choose.”
That’s funny hahahaha. In NYC they definitely “pick and choose”. Each applicant goes to interview with the NYPD and it is their SOLE decision who to deny rights to for ANY secret reason they wish without appeal. It must be good to be King...
“Officers are the people tasked with enforcing the laws on the books. Good luck when that comes down to Gang leaders arresting and presenting cases to the court. If you think problems are bad now, you’re simply not thinking if you think things would be better.”
I’ve lived in areas where there are no real police or judges and people lived just fine. Neighbors simply watched out for one another and protected property as needed. When people stop foolishly relying on police, they learn to take care of themselves.
Please, they selectively “enforce laws” as soldiers for organized crime. They are little more than a gang paid to enforce a revenue collection quotas and take “bonuses” for themselves when a cash opportunity presents itself.
Police WILL NOT protect you in any truly dangerous situation. Look at the pathetic responses to school shootings and riots.
Some quotes after the LA riots:
David Joo,a manager of the gun store,said: “ I want to make it clear that we didn’t open fire first. At that time,four police cars were there. Somebody started to shoot at us. The LAPD ran away in half a second. I never saw such a fast escape. I was pretty disappointed. ”
Carl Rhyu,a participant in the Korean immigrants’ armed response to the rioting,said:
“ If it was your own business and your own property,would you be willing to trust it to someone else? We are glad the National Guard is here. They’re good backup. But when our shops were burning we called the police every five minutes; no response. ”
At a shopping center several miles north of Koreatown,Jay Rhee,who estimated that he and others fired five hundred shots into the ground and air,said: “ We have lost our faith in the police. Where were you when we needed you? ”
And the few times cops are undeniably caught in their corruption, they get a slap on the wrist from their buddy judges. This is worse than organized crime because it uses the power of the state.
-This detective was caught planting drugs and got no jail time after he threatened to out the entire NYPD as corrupt: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2095772/Cowboy-cop-Jason-Arbeeny-planted-crack-couples-car-seat-escapes-jail.html
-Another NYPD Detective Testifies that Police Regularly Plant Drugs on Innocent People to Meet Arrest Quota: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/fabricated-drug-charges-innocent-people-meet-arrest-quotas-detective-testifies-article-1.963021
-”My team seized about US$10-million to US$15-million, and none of it was straight,” he said. “We were told, basically, if you want cars, you should go out and seize them. So we would ...” Officers planted drugs, lied and falsified reports to justify their property seizures. Some of the forfeiture proceeds went directly into officers’ pockets. http://www.karenselick.com/NP001207.html
-Law enforcement can seize your money unless you can prove every cent is NOT drug money. Cops have planted drugs on people to seize their property. http://www.mynews4.com/news/local/story/On-Your-Side-Law-enforcement-seizes-money-without/PNYbgze57kOMxTUzmepwBw.cspx
Officers under arrest for criminal endeavors say a lot of things. So do other criminal elements. Are those things clearly on the up and up, or are they making stuff up to lighten their load?
This stuff wreaks of ACLU and other anti-cop organizations who want nothing less than to see a take down of our society.
Who has a vested interest in doing that? Law abiding citizens or the Left, who trashes everything good in this nation all the while claiming Whites are evil, minorities should run everything, women are treated unfairly in the U. S....
This is the team you’re siding with. Good luck with that.
“Officers under arrest for criminal endeavors say a lot of things. So do other criminal elements. Are those things clearly on the up and up, or are they making stuff up to lighten their load?”
We know 100% he ruined innocent people’s lives for quotas and didn’t serve a SINGLE DAY in jail!!!! Based on the cops I personally know and had encounters with, I 100% believe it is FAR WORSE than what he started to imply (and quickly shut up about).
“This stuff wreaks of ACLU and other anti-cop organizations who want nothing less than to see a take down of our society.”
People become anti-cop because of what they SEE and EXPERIENCE. These things didn’t come out of a vacuum. Once it happens to you or your family and the cop walks with a smile, you’ll understand 1000%.
I want to see a takedown of the government-sponsored blue mafia and a return to neighbors policing themselves. I’ve lived it and it’ll work better than what we have now.
Thank you for presenting your views here.
I have family members who are police officers. I know what their mind-sets are, and I know what they have had to deal with on a daily basis.
Your broad stroke painting reveals who you are, not who they are.
I have never claimed there aren’t bad eggs out there. I do claim they give departments across the nation a black eye, and people who don’t know any better, and can’t learn any better, some stories to buttress a false narrative.
The fact is, you are allowing yourself to be manipulated by extreme Leftist players who want you to think Conservatives are justified in hating all police officers.
How effective they have been in accomplishing this, is displayed here more often that it should be.
I’m not manipulated and I didn’t come to this conclusion by listening to any leftist groups. This came from what I SAW and EXPERIENCED on my own.
Here is JUST ONE story that happened to me:
I was once arrested for “auto stripping” while working my own classic car. The cops didn’t even want to run the plates or let me get my registration from home. I’m assuming because I was dark and dressed in raggedy clothes.
Anyway, I got repeatedly kicked on the ground by 3 cops for “being smart” each time I said a word (”STFU and we’ll figure out why you’re being arrested”), taken on a 2hr hellride in handcuffs and spent 4 nights in jail (because Monday was a holiday). The judge laughed on Tuesday when I told him I’d sue and said “they had reasonable suspicion and the report says you were resisting which is a crime in itself. you’re lucky we are letting you go”. I wanted to punch that POS in the face!
I also know 7 officers very closely and the culture is obviously rotten to the very top. Some want to report bad eggs but they tell me that it is “dangerous” and will end their career.
There are close to 1,000,000 officers in this nation.
You know seven, so now you’re an expert.
You had one run-in with the law, so now the other close to one million officers are all just exactly like the officers and judge you came into contact with.
Good luck with that mindset.
You are furthering the Leftist agenda whether you realize it or not.
Yes, I believe you should speak out against any criminal act perpetrated by officers. That still doesn’t mean that every officer is like the people you have described here.
I’ve had multiple similar encounters with groups of officers and the percentages were not good. So have several of my friends in the neighborhood. Everyone I know around the country with experience with cops says the same and NOT ONCE have I met someone who was actually helped by a cop. Nobody in my neighborhood would dream of calling them these days.
Out of my multiple encounters, TWO COPS I personally dealt with (out of 15-20) were obviously disgusted with the way the others treated me but they were always outnumbered and did not say anything. The other cops ALL participated in abuse and acted like schoolyard bullies.
I’m sorry your experience is an example of the exact opposite my own experience with law enforcement.
I have given officers plenty of reason to come down hard on me at times, and yet they showed reasoned restraint.
This wasn’t always predicated on my family members being involved with law enforcement, because the particular situations involved agencies other than the ones my relatives were working for.
That you haven’t heard of anyone being helped by officers is rather comical. I don’t care how bad the area is, officers still get family dispute calls in which they diffuse the situation and save lives.
Each one of your posts reveals more of your bias. I at least can admit there are bad players. Despite you being able to state you do know of a few good players, you dismiss them outright to claim cops are bad when I say they aren’t all bad.
Not to mention outnumbering. We'd run out of thugs before we ran out of ammo.
As for the military? Well frankly, again, there are a lot more ex-military than military, and that's just the beginning of that story.
Of course, getting the PD to quit en masse is the sine qua non of this whole mental exercise, and I don't see that happening absent a lot of other stuff going absolutely to $#!+, including but not limited to the inability of the gov to write non-rebounding paychecks.
In White areas, I think you’re premise might work out. In Black areas you might be abandoning members of the community to absolute hell on earth.
However it worked out, I do believe it would be a lot uglier than any of us truly wants.
Citizen militias can be useful to fill gaps in national defense, or certain entities gone rogue inside the U. S. Border situations and perhaps a few others. I’m not convinced they would be useful against the military or in lieu of the police in most instances.
Well, I did have ONE good experience with cops. We had a noise complaint at my rich friend’s house in the suburbs. The cops came and literally apologized a dozen times before asking “maybe you can turn the noise down just a touch”. They even said “it gets boring patrolling here at night and we just wanted to say hello”. Real officer friendly types. People were openly smoking pot too and they just laughed about it.
Maybe all your experiences were like the above.
NOW , if I had this identical party in MY neighborhood with some black people, the booted thugs would have arrived shortly. My entire home and every person would have been ransacked, handcuffed and searched. And if they didn’t find anything, they’d likely plant something on “smart” people.
There truly are TWO Americas when it comes to the law and I’ve been able to experience both sides.
One of the problems that folks fail to think about, is what happens at parties in most middle class neighborhoods and what happens at parties in Black neighborhoods.
One party is mostly mellow, loud music, and other noise issues. There’s under-age drinking. There are going to be some drugs too. Some fights may break out, but they are generally the type where there aren’t severe injuries or lingering after party issues. Officers show up. The kids expect it, they either leave or become more quiet. The situation is resolved.
One party is not quite so mellow. Some of the same dynamics are in play. If there are fights, they are much more likely to turn into something where someone gets seriously injured. Guns are much more likely to be present. The officers show up and some idiot at the party becomes belligerent because the officers dared show up. If the officers are White, it’s claimed it is a racist act for them to show up. Compliance may be achieved, but there is going to be some level of anger over it.
After the party, in the middle-class neighborhood, the kids go somewhere and grab a bite to eat or relocate to other homes and wind down.
That may not be the case in the Black area. Guys may pile into a car and do some drive-bys. Any fights at the party may be resolved afterwards violently.
While folks address that idea that both parties are treated differently, they don’t address why.
Are White middle class neighborhoods being shot up at night?
Are Black communities being shot up at night?
Which area is more likely to have gang violence associated with these parties?
So just because some black people were violent, it justifies going into someone’s home like a military raid?
They are hard working black people from my neighborhood. No violent gangbangers. Yet, I know precisely what would happen if I let them stay in my yard.
“Compliance may be achieved, but there is going to be some level of anger over it.”
Yea, because when you look black and/or poor, they will talk to you like dirt before you even say anything.
I sometimes wear suits and drive a nearly $100k cars. And sometimes I wear basketball clothes (considered “ghetto”) and drive a $3000 car.
The difference in police attitude when they approach me is ASTRONOMICAL and it should not be that way. They should always be cautious but please talk to everyone LIKE A PERSON. Maybe then poor/black people will start to respect them.
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