Posted on 04/03/2015 4:27:24 AM PDT by concernedcitizen76
OKLAHOMA CITY — Oklahoma would stop issuing marriage licenses under legislation passed Tuesday afternoon by the Oklahoma House of Representatives.
House Bill 1125, by Rep. Todd Russ, R-Cordell, would instead require those officiating marriage ceremonies to file after-the-fact “certificates of marriage” with court clerks’ offices. Alternatively, couples could file affidavits of common law marriage.
Russ said his bill is intended to “protect” county court clerks who do not want to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
“This takes them out of the trap,” he said.
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Wow, truly ridiculous, you think that a tribe that doesn’t have a written language, doesn’t have marriage laws that dictate what is a legal marriage?
Without even reading a list (yet), I can predict that almost every one of them is a "benefit" that government bestows upon people through powers that have no basis in Constitutional law.
Sure it does. But there’s no “license” to speak of. If a married couple from that tribe were to pack up and move to a country like the U.S., they have no evidence that they are married.
This is insane, why are you guys playing this silly game of fantasy of ending marriage in America and removing all marriage laws and divorce laws and child custody law and inheritance and military spouses and immigration law based on marriage, and in government employment and in labor negotiations, in medical treatment at the VA, etc.
Where is this political movement, which party is supporting it? I realize that some Muslims would support it, but they are only about 1% of our population.
Show me your source.
I’ve seen a listing, before, but the one I can think of, off the top of my head, is Social Security benefits if a spouse dies. You can’t write that sort of thing into a contract.
Another one that comes to mind, is not being forced to testify against your spouse. You can’t write that one into a contract.
I thought about keeping the list when I saw it, but I didn’t ... but you get the idea.
It doesn’t work in the military either, nor in immigration and federal employment.
and why are we wasting time on this silliness and fantastical theories and college freshman type fantasy discussions instead of focusing on our political battle to protect marriage?
This is how the libertarians advance the left, in this case, find a way to stop conservatives from participating in the actual legislative and political battles.
Marriage is a sacred institution. It's too important to be left in Caesar's hands. Why do you have trouble coming to grips with that?
Gibberish.
A libertarian lie covered by claiming it in the name of “God”.
It is sure interesting how holy and how you start saying “God” over and over as you fight Christians and social conservatives.
Right now Muslim marriage is illegal, we want to end gay marriage, not make it and polygamy legal as you are proposing in this diversion effort.
A Navy SEAL does not get to decide on his own who we will house with him on base and protect and school and treat medically, and who will receive a widow’s pension, as terrorists hunt his wife and kids, he cannot just tell us who is on his list of dependents with us not having such things defined.
/scratching head/
1. Culture A has no written language.
2. Therefore, Culture A has no written documents for marriages.
3. Therefore, a married couple from Culture A cannot present any evidence of their marriage if they emigrate to Nation B.
I'm not sure what you're asking me here. Are you suggesting that a married couple from Culture A can uproot a cave painting of some kind that serves as their "marriage license" back in their home country, and bring it to the U.S. as proof of their marriage?
You want Muslims and gay churches to tell the military who a legal spouse is?
You really want to end any definition of marriage?
Why don’t you do that now, you don’t have to seek government recognition of your marriage, did you?
Both of those will disappear once polygamy becomes established here in the U.S. under the full protection of whatever is left of the Federal government. Social Security will go bankrupt within a decade, and organized crime families will shield themselves from criminal prosecution by having everyone involved in the operation get married to each other.
In the case of the "gay churches," THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE EXACTLY THIS.
I don't want the U.S. military having any role in defining marriage.
If married in a church there would be the church records to confirm that it took place on such and such date and who witnessed it.
Show me your sources for your claim.
Some people not being able to read doesn’t mean that their marriages do not have legal evidence.
Any such people would be an awfully small number, and they would be part of a larger culture.
Just saying that is happening isn’t enough. Besides, there you are again, with meaningless distractions, for meaningless fantasies.
No, the gays didn’t do it, Obama did it, let’s reverse rather than let the polygamists join them as you want.
“I don’t want the U.S. military having any role in defining marriage.”
There you go, silliness, you know very well that our men in war are going to want to have their widows taken care of, and in many cases to live on base with them and be schooled and treated and protected by the government during their years of service.
It has been so in law written by the Continental Congress of 1780, and of 1794, and of 1798, and on.
Now you want Muslims to bring their multiple wives.
I’m referring to cases where there is no written language at all. Who kept marriage records for slaves in the U.S.? What did the Cheyenne and Sioux tribes do for marriage records before they were herded onto reservations?
I wasn’t referring to illiterate people. I’m talking about cultures with no written language at all.
My guess is that tribal law is submitted to the next authority up in the chain of command in whatever area he is talking about.
Someone so remote that he lives in a little tribe that does not have any writing, or written records of deaths, births, and marriage (if such a thing exists), would be taking he and his wife through many layers of government before they got Passports and Visas, to go to a new country.
But marriage is always either legal, or not legal.
The statutes from the 18th century related to military spouses are academic, as far as I'm concerned ... because personally, I can't imagine why any self-respecting man with a Christian world view would ever put his life and safety (and a potential widow's well-being) in the hands of the government in a nation as nihilistic, depraved, and openly hostile to Christianity as ours is.
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