Posted on 03/21/2015 10:56:01 PM PDT by TigerClaws
Watching a documentary on the Berlin Wall tonight I remembered leftists from that era (Obama's family, for example) saying, "That's not true Communism."
All of the Communists countries in the world weren't true Communism?
Remind you of anything?
"That's not true Islam!"
Leftists claimed back then, and I suppose still do, that none of the Communists countries are representing true Communism. For that you have to go back to the original founding documents (Marx).
Now they claim none of the Muslim countries are practicing "true Islam." You have to do back to the founding documents (Koran).
Which of these countries below is practicing "true Islam"?
Rank Name % Muslim For year =1 Somalia 100% 2004 =3 Maldives 99.9% =3 Mauritania 99.9% 5 Western Sahara 99.8% =6 Turkey 99% 2004 =6 Afghanistan 99% 2004 =6 Oman 99% 2004 =6 Yemen 99% 2004 =6 Iran 99% 2004 =6 Algeria 99% 2004 =6 Djibouti 99% 2004 =6 Tunisia 99% 2004 =6 Comoros 99% 2004 15 Morocco 98.7% 2004 =16 Libya 97% 2004 =16 Iraq 97% 2004 18 Pakistan 96.35% 2004 =19 Tajikistan 95% 2004 =19 Qatar 95% 2004 =19 Jordan 95% 2004 22 Senegal 94% 2004 23 Azerbaijan 93.4% 2004 24 Egypt 91% 2004 =25 The Gambia 90% 2004 =25 Mali 90% 2004 =25 Niger 90% 2004 =28 Turkmenistan 89% 2004 =28 Uzbekistan 89% 2004 30 Indonesia 88.22% 2004 Middle Eastern and North Africa average 88.18% 2004 =31 Bangladesh 88% 2004 =31 Syria 88% 2004 Muslim countries average 86.19% 2004 =33 Bahrain 85% 2004 =33 Guinea 85% 2004 =33 Kuwait 85% 2004 =36 Gaza Strip 84% 2004 =36 West Bank 84% 2004 38 Kyrgyzstan 80% 2004 39 United Arab Emirates 76% 2004 OPEC countries average 72.68% 2004 =40 Lebanon 70% 2004 =40 Albania 70% 2004 42 Brunei 67% 2004 43 Sudan 65% 2004
They have no idea what true communism was, and if they did they are liars if they say it wasn’t true.
Nailed it.
Good point.
“Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know what no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”
George Orwell
1984
Excellent comparison.
You’re right, it’s the same tactic.
Good comparison. I think you’re right.
You achieve Communism when the state wither away and dies..
It is to become stateless anarchy that all the people use every thing in common...
Think of the animal kingdom... there is no state.. there is no government ...there is no property..there is no law.they all just live together in common...as in the animal kingdom
But they think it'll be some kind of Edan and everybody just lives in peace with each other...
Do you can see why Lenin called the true believers useful idiots...
Do you = So you
It’s a kind of philosophical moonshine.
It’s the old “No True Scotsman” Fallacy.
True Communism is Communism that that “hasn’t been tried yet.” The Communists who are not in power are the True Communists who will “get it right” and institute “True Communism.” Communism that fails is not “True Communism.” True Communism is always in the future.
I agree that the various communist regimes were not “True Communism” and that ISIS, Iran, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, etc. do not embody “True Islam”.
Abstract social conceptions dreamed up in the minds of men can never be converted into “true” physical manifestations of the ideal. Those who pretend otherwise are either self-deluded fools, or cynical tricksters. The most dangerous types, such as Lenin and Trotsky, are both. (Obama is the JV version. Be thankful for his narcissism and laziness). They inevitably seek political power to force their delusions onto others.
One can never have true communism as that idiot marx never accounted for the corrupt nature of man when handed the near unlimited power needed to implement “glorious revolution”. Only one group of people thought of separating the power into distinct branches and using a document to place limits on those branches. But even that will break down. Just not as fast.
Islam has the same problem as communism but it also has a document of sharia that enables horrific abuse of others in the quest for power. The document is the unamendable koran.
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