Posted on 03/05/2015 11:20:38 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
In yesterday's arguments about ObamaCare before the Supreme Court, Chief Justice John Roberts surprised observers by saying almost nothing. But the single question he did ask might well have tipped his hand, writes Jeffrey Toobin at the New Yorker. If Toobin is right, it's a mixture of good and bad news for the White House: Roberts would vote to keep the law in place—but leave the door open for a future president to gut it. Roberts' question came after Solicitor General Donald Verrilli argued that under precedent set in a Chevron case, the Obama administration has the flexibility to interpret the health law broadly enough to get around troublesome wording about subsidies at the heart of the case.
“If you’re right about Chevron, that would indicate that a subsequent administration could change that interpretation?” Roberts asked. Verrilli acknowledged it could. This "suggests a route out of the case for Roberts," who is generally opposed to the idea of limiting the power of presidents, writes Toobin. He could provide the swing vote to uphold the law, "with a reminder that a new election is fast approaching"—and a reminder that a new president could re-interpret the law immediately. "In other words, the future of ObamaCare should be up to the voters, not the justices." Click to read the full post.
[[I say let the full force come down on all of us...then we’ll vote to make changes, and throw the bums out.]]
The effects won’t do a damn thing to persuade people to vote them out- they will simply shrug their shoulders and declare “Well, this is just the price we have to pay to get ‘quality health care’” REGARDLESS of how steep the fines and premiums go- as long as they think the left is going to keep giving them ‘free stuff’ in the future-
People really don’t get it- the gubmint gives them $20 dollars worth of ‘free stuff’ and in the meantime, lifts their wallets from their back pockets and steals $2000 fro m them, and the people will STILL believe they are getting ‘free stuff’, and that’;s all that matters to them- Sadly we have become a nation of idiots- I will never, as long as I live, forget the crap eating grin a woman got when asked why she voted for dear leader a second term- she got the crap eating grin, and said “So I can get me some of dat obamamoney” and when asked where she thought the money would come from, got an even bigger crap eating grin on her face and shrugged her shoulders, and said “It’s just free, dats all”
I knew then and there that this country was in deep deep trouble!
No, the people will not throw them out of office once the fines and high premiums start- as long as the left keeps handing out ‘free stuff’
[[His previous opinion would embarrass Joe Biden.]]
His previous opinion was an embarrassment to all law degree holders- who shook their heads in disbelief at how asinine his opinion really was-
I tend to agree with this view. I have heard that Roberts' ruling in 2012, odious as it was, was supposedly meant to tell VOTERS, "hey, this is not a legal, but political matter...you want the Obamacare crap sandwich gone, then YOU voters need to remove the SOB from the White House."
This idea you present, nikos, would be in line with such a view. Roberts might be of the mentality to let the Obambi crap sandwich do more damage, in order to provide the best reason to make sure no DemocRAT can ever get into the White House again.
YMMV.
I really do think Roberts should be impeached, and unless he greatly surprises on this decision and does the right and truly uncomfortable thing, there will be a whole lot more people who will agree with me, eventually.
You're partially right. We'll have it until it begins to sink America financially.
The State of Tennessee put such a program into place long before Obamacare.
TennCare was established in 1994 under a federal waiver that authorized deviations from the standard Medicaid rules.
It was approx 6 to 7 years later that Tenncare consumed 70% of Tenn's annual budget. It was ALTERED dramatically and diminished. It still exists but without the power to suck up state funds as it first did.
Here's the timeline for what occurred:
TennCare Timeline
This is why I flinch when republicans try to fix things. Let Obamacare play out the way it was intended. People start paying more for their coverage, lose their coverage, can’t get coverage, have long delays etc...they will scream.
“is previous opinion was an embarrassment to all law degree holders”
I read it and I am STILL furious to this day.
Atlas Shrugged is now nonfiction.
Sorry folks, its here to stay. The next step would be for congress to remove all exemptions (including them self) and let it fall under its own weight.
You're right on the money with that statement.
It ALWAYS results into the scenario where "the problem finally burns THEIR a$$".. then they want CHANGE.
Kind of reminds me of watching "Andy of Mayberry" reruns and having that feeling of KNOWING what's gonna happen next.
Sometimes, you have to let bad things happen, in order for the low-info voters (who will not vote GOP unless it’s REALLY bad) to realize what their stupidity bought for everyone else.
As much as I despise anything to do with Obama, we have to let his destructive nature play itself out.
If the law is so badly written that it can be interpreted in any way, throw out the law so it can be rewritten in clear language.
I don't think so, between the permanent gimme class and the millions of "New Americans" Obama is importing as fast as possible, those who would vote the bums out are being rapidly outnumbered. Obama is changing the demographics of the country at a frightening pace and millions of new voters (illegal or not) will be employed to assure a leftist victory. McConnell and Boehner will be happy to sit back in their well paid chairs and serve as a Potemkin Village opposition. The country is beyond saving through the ballot box IMO. Solutions will have come from outside the system, if any.
"Posterity! you will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom! I hope you will make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven that I ever took half the pains to preserve it." - John Adams, Letter to Abigail Adams, 1777
What an awesome responsibility the Justices of 2012 have to Adams and the other Framers of America's Constitution to "make good use" of the opportunity they have now to "preserve" freedom for future generations by preserving the Constitution's separation of powers and limits on government power!
If they "do not," then history will record their action as a betrayal of the trust of all the brave men and women who have been willing to sacrifice everything for freedom's cause--from 1776 to now.
May they feel the heavy cloak of responsibility they bear for the freedom of those future generations, and may their opinions recall those ideas of individual liberty so beautifully articulated by the Framers of the Constitution they are sworn to uphold.
"On every question of construction, let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p. 322.
Worst of both worlds: 1) it allows ACA to remain Law, subject to the whim of the next president. And (2) it codifies a shift in authority from the constitutionally elected representatives to unelected bureaucrats.
What’s not to hate?
There was a TED talk that defined the toolkit for prosperity. The requirements were rule of law for everyone, minimal corruption, property ownership.
If you didn’t know what the law was day to day, it was easy to extort and abuse people. Corruption was a tax on the poor. A lack of documentation and registration to let people own the buildings they lived in and land they farmed prevented investment in that property or the ability to mortgage it to get more productive equipment.
A “the law is whatever the President wants to enforce” ruling is the exact opposite of what enabled our prosperity.
the fix was always in.
Toobin is an useless.
Ooops!! Third paragraph date reference should, of course, be Year 2015!!!
Didn’t the plaintiffs include the Gruber “we lied on purpose to force the state hands” in the record?
You’re right. Let Obama and the dems own this one.
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