LD-2000
Posted on 12/02/2014 3:46:48 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
A gang of advanced missiles and a bleeding edge radar unveiled at a Chinese air show could mean big trouble for the Pentagon’s best fighters.
Once, no magic act was complete without the magician’s revealingly dressed assistant. Her job was not merely to be sawn in half but to dominate the mostly male audience’s attention at moments when a focus on the whereabouts of the rabbit might blow the gaff.
That was a useful lesson to bear in mind at last month’s Zhuhai air show—China’s only domestic air and defense trade show, held once every other year.
If anything at Zhuhai was wearing fishnets and high heels, it was the Shenyang FC-31 stealth fighter, which resembles a twin-engine version of America’s newest stealth jet, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. But the real tricks lay in Beijing’s growing family of advanced missiles and radars.
The FC-31 prototype was hidden except when it was flying, and not much detail was available. Bu the display was notable for the eruptions of smoke from the engines, most likely Russian RD-93s.
That is important, because until China builds its own fighter engines it cannot build stealth fighters without approval from Vladimir Putin’s desk. That includes the Chengdu J-10B, China’s most modern, in-production fighter, or its bootleg versions of Russia’s Sukhoi Flanker fighter family.
China says it’s working on indigenous fighter and trainer engines, but the samples on show were exactly the same as those seen two years ago.
What was new and important on the Chinese military’s outdoor display line at Zhuhai was a mix of mature and new technology. And by “mature” I mean the 1950s-design Xian H-6M bomber, with something suspiciously like a World War II Norden bombsight visible through the windows of the bombardier station. But the bomber was surrounded by guided weapons, some seen for the first time in public. The same went for the somewhat more modern JH-7 light bomber.
Zhuhai was full of new missile hardware, from the 3 1/2-ton CX-1 ramjet-powered anti-ship and land-attack missile down to the QW-19 manportable air defense system. (China’s military believes in these small air defense missiles, both in their classic standalone form and integrated into small mobile systems.)
Not many of those missiles were individually surprising. The CX-1 is different in small details from the Russian-Indian BrahMos but very similar in specifications. Two-stage short-range surface-to-air missiles borrow the concept invented for Russia’s KBM Tunguska and Pantsyr systems, and so on.
What is impressive, however, is how many of the new Chinese missiles there are, and how they fit together.
One visible trend is the re-use of components to meet different mission needs. Since the CM-400AKG air-to-surface missile appeared at 2012’s edition of the Zhuhai show, it has gathered a lot of attention as a high-supersonic anti-ship weapon. This year, the exhibit strongly suggested that it shares its solid rocket motor and warhead with the surface-to-surface SY400 ballistic missile, and a passive radar seeker with the new B611MR semi-ballistic anti-radiation missile. The B611MR, in turn, has a common motor and controls to the 175-mile-range M20 GPS/inertially guided missile—China’s equivalent to Russia’s Iskander—and both are intended to use the same mobile launcher and command-and-control system as the CX-1. Lots of interchangeable parts: That is how China can roll out so many missile types so quickly.
What is impressive is how many of the new Chinese missiles there are, and how they fit together. A “system of systems” approach was evident in the biggest thinly coded message at Zhuhai. That was the People’s Liberation Army’s outdoor lineup of air-defense hardware, centered on the gigantic JH-27A VHF active electronically scanned array radar—the first of its type in service anywhere, if Chinese officials are telling the truth. Such radars are designed to track stealthy targets. The radar’s antenna, almost 100 feet tall, towered over the rest of the exhibits. Just to the left of it were smaller Aesas, one operating in UHF and the other in the centimetric S-band: that is, complementary sensors with progressively higher resolution, cued by the VHF radar to track stealthy targets, accurately enough to engage them with missiles.
At a conference in London the following week, a senior retired U.S. Air Force commander pooh-poohed counterstealth efforts. I don’t know where such confidence originates, because nothing like the JH-27A and its companion radars exists in the West, and so we know little of how they work.
Further down the line were three vehicles—a radar/command vehicle, a short-to-medium-range LY-60D/HQ-6D surface-to-air missile, and a Norinco LD-2000 seven-barrel 30-mm gun. Like some gun systems used by the West, the LD-2000 is basically a truck-mobile version of a gun system carried by ships to shoot down incoming missiles. But the West uses those systems to defend forward operating bases in Iraq and Afghanistan from rockets and mortars, and China doesn’t need the LD-2000 for that.
Instead, the PLA has made the gun part of a point-defense system against both attacking aircraft and weapons, such as precision-guided munitions. The system is truck-mounted and road-mobile, as are the big and conspicuous radars that stood next to it on display. It is most likely intended to protect those high-value relocatable assets from even a well-executed destruction of enemy air defense operation. Will it be 100 percent effective? No. Does it make China’s air defenses much harder to kill? Assuredly.
Stealth fighters get the attention even though they smoke like Humphrey Bogart, but there is a lot of PLA money going into missiles and reconnaissance systems that can hold naval and other forces—the assets that the Chinese see as their primary threats—at risk from far beyond the horizon, and radars that are designed to detect, track. and target stealth aircraft. That’s the rabbit, and we take our eyes off it at our peril.
LD-2000
Either Pope Francis wrote this, or someone else made a translation error, or else this is some new hipster slang. A gaff is an iron hook used in fishing. You don't blow a gaff.
Paging you to this thread per recent TX board discussions.
He hoo flung dung , sum dum goy, flyee ahside down!
Chute! Then moo go gai pan!
a senior retired U.S. Air Force commander pooh-poohed counterstealth efforts>>>>
There are so many queer bend over boys who support the Dark Lord.The Chinese are ahead of the queer curve.Very much so.
While in Shekou recently a Chinese man on the street inquired if I was an American. I replied in the affirmative whereupon he told me “obama weak man...obama pussy”.
So there is how the avg. chinese guy on the street views the American president.
Bill Sweetman has pictures of the VHF radar on the Aviation Week site. It looks like a WWII British Radar array.
“Either Pope Francis wrote this, or someone else made a translation error, or else this is some new hipster slang. A gaff is an iron hook used in fishing. You don’t blow a gaff.”
You are mistaken and need to consult a dictionary. Merriam-Webster, for example, has two additional definitions which apply in this circumstance. One definition uses gaff as a noun to describe a hoax, fraud, gimmick, or trick (1896). A second definition uses gaff as a transitive verb meaning to deceive, trick, or fleece; or to fix for the purpose of cheating such as “gaff the dice” (1933).
The term “hipster” itself has an origin in blues music going back to 1940, but the related definitions of gaff have been in use for some 81 to 118 years now, which is far longer than the term “hipster” or anything else denoting something “new” or of recent origin as slang.
It’s been known for at least a decade that a very large array (actually, several radars tied together in a wide flung array) can detect stealth craft quite easily. Detect - but not necessarily localize well enough to get a weapons lock on.
China may have spotted a trick we missed with radar arrays oriented to detect stealth craft.
>> So there is how the avg. chinese guy on the street views the American president.
This is how average guys EVERYWHERE view Obola.
Stealth technology was considered the straw that broke the camels back of communism and the USSR not because stealth technology was invincible, but because the sum total of the various stealth fighter and bombers projects in the works in the late 1980s would have required the USSR to invest massive sums of money and assets in a crash program to completely overhaul their air defense radar systems.
This investment would have economically ruined an already economically tottering the USSR and probably would have been unsuccessful in producing systems capable of protecting the USSR from nuclear attack given their technology at the time.
20+ years later, and the same idea is used, but with more advanced long-wave seekers on the missiles. The ground based systems illuminate the area and the missiles ride the beams to the target area, detonate and, well, if you throw enough HE into an area, you will hit something without the need for a high confidence target “lock”.
Does it use up missiles, yup, but compared to an F-22 or F-35, they're rock cheep!
And since I can make lots of missiles really fast...
“...and a bleeding edge radar...”
And if the missile has a tactical nuke or neutron warhead, it doesn't even need to get all that close.
Yup, I remember reading about that, but there were people at the time pointing out that it was the 117, the oldest stealth tech, etc., etc. It wasn’t until somewhat later that it was found that this worked against the B-2 as well. IIRC, that was sometime around 2003.
See immediately prior post.
“Stealth technology was considered the straw that broke the camels back of communism and the USSR not because stealth technology was invincible, but because the sum total of the various stealth fighter and bombers projects in the works in the late 1980s would have required the USSR to invest massive sums of money and assets in a crash program to completely overhaul their air defense radar systems.”
Actually it was the Strategic Defense Initiative that is given credit for the Soviets deciding they couldn’t win the arms race.
None of this matter, since our GOOD LOOKS can defeat any weapons system and we have the Polish Calvary to come to our rescue in Europe. (essentially what the Obama apologists on this site say)
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