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First off, I'm not a fan of Muslims, in general, and what they bring to the world. Curious about substantive FReeper opinion. Does it not even matter if the adherents are not following it? I'm kind of that opinion, but I am curious what FReepers have to say.
1 posted on 11/13/2014 8:15:01 AM PST by beaversmom
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I have sen koran excepts posted which call for muslims to spread the faith through violence and making others submissive. Looks like many muslims believe those parts.


2 posted on 11/13/2014 8:17:09 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: beaversmom

For every pacifist verse there is one or more calling for violence.


3 posted on 11/13/2014 8:18:02 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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From what I understand of Islam, they have a doctrine where things in the Quran that Mohammad said later in life carry more weight than things he said earlier.

Thus lots of peaceful sounding and noble things that appear early in the book are canceled out by other things he says later on.

Thus none of these can be actually put into context.


4 posted on 11/13/2014 8:18:32 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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Mohammedans belong to a cult of hate, founded by a camel humping pedophile.

Read the title; everything that follows is BS.


5 posted on 11/13/2014 8:18:57 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: beaversmom

The bull-Obama is strong in this one.

Islam is the definition of evil.

Period.


6 posted on 11/13/2014 8:19:24 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: All; Biggirl

Related thread from October 2014:

A Rebuttal to Islam: Top 5 Arguments
by Steven Crowder
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3217297/posts

Also, if anyone knows of any lists to ping that might be interested, that would be great.


7 posted on 11/13/2014 8:19:44 AM PST by beaversmom
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Then how did the first three Islamic Caliphates conquer more land in 150 years than the Roman Empire at its zenith?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliphate


8 posted on 11/13/2014 8:21:09 AM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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Somebody needs to tell the tens of thousands of victims of Islamic terrorism over the last two decades that they are not dead. It is forbidden for them to be dead!


9 posted on 11/13/2014 8:21:38 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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The muslims are masters of double speak.

Sure, other parts of the Koran advocate pillaging and murder...but see these peaceful sections here...we’re just peaceful people.


11 posted on 11/13/2014 8:21:56 AM PST by lacrew
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John Ricardo Cole is displaying dhimmitude, which is not unusual for him.
O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. (Sura 5:51)

And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers. (Sura 3:85)

12 posted on 11/13/2014 8:22:15 AM PST by Olog-hai
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Believe this or you will be stoned to death for heresay...


14 posted on 11/13/2014 8:25:10 AM PST by jimmygrace
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To: beaversmom

You have to remember that according their holy book it is ok to lie to infidels.


15 posted on 11/13/2014 8:25:31 AM PST by tbpiper
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Mohammed figured his enemies will also read the book and believe what they wanted to believe.

16 posted on 11/13/2014 8:27:42 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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The person is a moron. They don’t understand what takes precedence in the Quran and if people don’t understand it I’m not explaining it to them.


17 posted on 11/13/2014 8:28:38 AM PST by Minsc
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“and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct,

In other words, "do not kill a true Muslim who has accepted Allah. But as for those who have not accepted Allah, it's open season.'

Guilty as charged. Next case. Court adjourned.

19 posted on 11/13/2014 8:32:13 AM PST by Maceman
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Mohamed went through a transformation in his life from loving Christians and Jews to hatred when he could not convert them but he always hated everyone else not muslim so the Koran has both types of verses but it ends with hatred and death to all not following islam.

"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)

"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:4)

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)

"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)

"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)

"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)

"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)

Qur’an-(5:51): O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Qur’an-(9:5): “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, And seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) ; but if they repent (accept Islam) and establish regular prayers and practices regular charity then open the way for them; for God is oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.”

Qur’an-(8:65): “ O Apostle ! Rouse the believers to the fight, if there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering , they will vanquish two hundred; if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the unbelievers; for these are a people without understanding.”

Quran-2:216: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you

Qur’an-(2:191): “And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out………such is the reward of those who suppress faith.”

Qur’an-(9:29): “Fight those who believe not the Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth even if they are the people of the book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

Qur’an(48:20): “….Allah promises you much booty (spoils of war) that you will capture from the defeated infidels….”

Quran-8:38 “And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression”

Quran-8:12: I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Quran-9:111: Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an

Quran-9:123: O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).

Quran-4:95: O ye who believe! Shall I show you a commerce that will save you from a painful doom? You should believe in Allah and His messenger, and should strive for the cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives. That is better for you, if ye did but know. ... Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than those who sit (at home).

[5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, [5.34] Except those who repent before you have them in your power; so know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

I think the koran is rather clear for any that can read, in what evil murder it teaches its follower, against any not willing to convert. This does not even include how evil this "religion" is toward women. ANY woman who converts or marries into this religion is an absolute fool.

It always blows my mind how stupid you have to be to have one of those coexist stickers on your car.

20 posted on 11/13/2014 8:35:39 AM PST by Lady Heron
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“Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.” (Koran 8:39)


22 posted on 11/13/2014 8:38:21 AM PST by Ms. AntiFeminazi
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The Koran also allows infidels to be put to death for simply not being Muslim.


23 posted on 11/13/2014 8:38:59 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Good Muslims, like good Nazis or good Communists, are terrible human beings.)
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These apologists are purposely misrepresenting the doctrine of Islam. It is completely permissible to lie about what Islam is to Westerners. It’s called taqiyya. The Koran has a lot of contradictory statements in it. Muslim scholars take the chronologically latest one. Since Islam started out having to pretend to be a normal realistic tolerant religion when it first started out, there are a lot of normal tolerant sounding things in the early parts of the Koran, but they have bee superseded by the later “kill everyone who refuses to convert” statements.

It’s the same way with Muslim populations in traditionally non-Muslim countries. They pretend to be normal rational and tolerant until they figure there are enough of them that they need to be in charge. Then the tolerance stops.

No one in the middle East believes what this person is saying is true and neither should you.


24 posted on 11/13/2014 8:44:02 AM PST by thorvaldr
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https://prayfor.us/obama-increases-muslims-by-350/


27 posted on 11/13/2014 8:57:57 AM PST by 353FMG
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