Posted on 11/05/2014 9:37:30 PM PST by balch3
Alaska voters approved a ballot measure aimed at adding a hurdle to the potential development of a major copper and gold mine.
The measure requires the states legislature to approve any proposed mining project in the Bristol Bay watershed. It targets the Pebble Mine, a planned copper and gold mine that would be the largest of its kind in the world.
Environmentalists, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and some Alaska native tribes want to stop the mine due to its potential impact on wildlife in Bristol Bay and the watershed, including a massive salmon population.
Sixty-five percent of voters approved of the proposed restriction, compared with 35 percent opposing, Alaska Dispatch News reported.
The measure could be moot, since the EPA has proposed restrictions on the mine that would effectively block its development. Northern Dynasty Minerals, Pebbles developer, is working on legislative and judicial fronts to challenge the EPAs decision.
In addition, independent gubernatorial candidate Bill Walker opposes the mine. The race had not been called as of Wednesday, but Walker leads current Gov. Sean Parnell (R) in votes.
If by capitalism you mean the free market, then capitalism is not a moral system. It is amoral. It is just natural and doesn’t care if the $1000 you made is from a life saving invention or trafficking in kiddie porn.
Communism and all its derivatives is a moral system. So are Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, etc. It’s a lie to compare the free market to some moral system. It’s apples and oranges. Why America is so great is that it combined the free market with Christian morality.
Business accountability in America is a function of that morality. There is nothing about capitalism/the free market that would lead to business accountability unless the consumers demanded it.
In capitalism the consumer is king. In Christianity Christ is.
BTW, I bought your American history series along with the companion book and am looking forward to reading it.
Actually it's all over, the entire mine is now uneconomical. The lawyers keep kickin it trying to keep her alive to make some more bucks, no joke.
30 or 50 years of mining jobs, risking the world’s finest salmon fishery.
No sir !
I grew up nx to a strip area that had even caught fire, burnt underground for 50 years I guess until it was reclaimed by state. Original strip mine owner walked away.
“Ok, that makes sense. A key part of capitalism is that businesses must be held accountable when they are negligent or damage private/public property.”
Only if they actually do something wrong should they be held accountable and not when it is whimsically presumed they
will or might. Anything involving the man made global
warming hoax is an example of whimsical.
Maybe. More like a victory over salmon fishers over the mine. Fish is big business there.
My only issue with GMO is....label your product clearly and let the consumer decide whether he/she wants to eat it.
When Monsanto spends this much money trying to prevent that my Spidey Senses start tingling.
Communism and Christianity are not economic systems.
The spawning areas have the potential to last for centuries.
You cannot place the one at risk for the short-term gain of the other. Either a different development plan needs to be figured out for the mine or the ongoing resource of the fisheries should take precedence.
Building a tailings pond in a watershed is simply stupid. Doing it in a massive scale in the world’s largest salmon spawning run is simply massively stupid.
Alaskan love mining, but we love Alaska more. It’s a conservative thing.
So what’s the “hurdle” or “restriction?” Why doesn’t the author want to that? And which is it—a “hurdle” or a “restriction?” Those are two different things.
The author also says that various groups “want to stop the mine,” but he’s not honest about the kind of group. Is it a big, government-linked corporate group of the likes in favor of county planning regulation offices, building regulation offices and HOAs? Or is it the kind of of group that doesn’t like having government-connected big shots eating in Colorado while crapping in Alaska?
Why doesn’t the author make a choice in his accusations? Are opponents trying to “stop” the mine without any conditions, erect a “hurdle” or place a “restriction?”
Some fake environmentalists want to stop working men from building their own houses on their own real properties and making products in small shops on their own real properties. Working men want government-linked fake environmentalists to clean up their own enormous messes and quit poisoning water and food.
And make it up to the manufacturer, not the government. If you want organic, etc. plenty of companies offer those products.
Correction:
Why doesnt the author want to talk about that? [Referring to choosing between the descriptions, “hurdles,” “stop” and “restriction.”]
And why did the author describe those who want the group of investors behind the proposed mine as “Environmentalists, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and some Alaska native tribes,” when a majority of local residents are against it?
The author wrote the usual propaganda for those who have poisoned our water and food for many decades while outlawing our property rights and freedom to engage in productive activities on smaller scales. They’ve even moved to outlaw most wood stoves used for heating houses and to outlaw all of the better home-built heating alternatives.
Outlaw HOAs. Outlaw and shut down planning and building offices in rural counties. Legalize small manufacturing shops in rural areas.
The problem in Alaska is the absence of property rights.
http://perc.org/about-perc/what-fme
Too much “public” land and resources. Assign property rights and you don’t need to vote.
A tailings pond in an earthquake prone area ?
That, alone should nix this project.
you trust the epa more than you trust the free market
therefore you are a collectivists/socialist .look it up
you trust the epa more than you trust the free market
you trust this gang of thugs at the EPA to keep your environment safe, nature and the world safe. that’s ridiculous
the epa and government is the problem not the solution to most problems
therefore you are a collectivist/socialist .look it up
Actually, communism IS an economic system, a command economy, as the government owns the means of production and services offered. It IS arguable that Christianity IS an economic system. At the minimum, a Believer should be tithing to his or her church. Coincidentally, yesterday, I heard Chuck Swindoll state, as other Preachers have, that if all Christians tithed, rather than the average 3-4%, poverty would cease to exist WORLDWIDE.Swindoll quoted an old theologian who said, “Give until it hurts, then give until it feels good!” Remember the ‘widow’s mite’ in Luke 21:1-3.
God provides, not for our comfort and wealth, our Cadillacs, i-phones and mansions, but for us to bless others as He provides and blesses us. Communism is overwhelmingly wrong, primarily because it does not recognize God and broken man directs the economy. All the other failings and latent evil stem from this.
Pure capitalism fails in God’s economy because wealth, for wealth’s sake, puts God to the side and the focus becomes “ME”! God provides for us, so we can live and more importantly, we can copy His lead and bless others and spread the Gospel by action, rather than mere words. Does this preclude being a wealthy Christian? No, but it takes a special individual to continually put God first, depending for everything on Him, rather than himself and his wealth. Jesus spoke of serving two masters.
IF you happen to fall for the ‘prosperity gospel’ that seems so popular especially in the US, I have two questions. The Apostle Paul was arguably the greatest evangelist who ever lived, so how does the ‘prosperity gospel’ line up with his having spent the last 3 years of his life in a Roman prison before being executed? If the ‘prosperity gospel’ were a correct interpretation of the NT, why was Paul not a Roman Senator or perhaps, even Emperor?
In such a context, both communism AND Christianity may be viewed as economic systems; the first, an example of one of man’s failed systems and the other, God’s perfect system.
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