Posted on 09/18/2014 6:04:31 PM PDT by blueyon
The first results are coming in for the referendum to decide whether Scotland should stay in the UK or become an independent country.
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...
I agree with you.
(I’m of the same stock).
As I said last week, in votes of this kind when there’s a sizable undecided vote near the election, the status quo is bound to prevail. Voters are less likely to vote in permanent unknown changes unless current conditions are intolerable!
Closer to 50%, with 20% loyalist in the initial stages of the conflict (1773, thereabouts). The remainder were either indifferent or far away from the conflict up in New England. British lobster backs weren’t often encountered in the far southern colonies. They were left alone, while the most egregious acts against the colonists happened in New England.
When in 1775 the news of Lexington and Concord made it South, the percentage of colonists in favor of Independence increased significantly. By the time of the signing of the Declaration, there were 3 patriots to every loyalist. By the time of Washington’s victory at Dorchester Heights, loyalists were pretty much isolated from other loyalists and feared their surrounding neighbors who had become patriots.
/johnny
Yes 1,512,688
No 1,877,252
30 of 32
1/3 of residents of Wales are English.
You would think almost all English would vote to stay in the UK.
That means you need ~80% of the Welsh to vote for Independence.
It’s now official:
SCOTLAND VOTES “NO”.
The votes are now over the line that makes it official.
30 of 32
Resounding no 55.4 to 44.6
/johnny
Well, there was.
That’s what this Scottish bid for independence lacked: When we broke away from the crown, it was our Continental Congress that took up the question of Independence (thank you, Virginians) and produced an instrument in the form of the Declaration of Independence. Congressional representatives from all 13 colonies voted unanimously in favor of it, then it was released to the people. It was an article that set before mankind the subject of the matter in terms so plain so as to command their assent.
All the Scottish ‘Yes’ campaign did was print up buttons and signs and threw up an incoherent website that raised more dubious questions than it answered. They didn’t know what they were talking about.
Turns out that the Scottish nationalists didn’t even have as much support for independence as the American colonies already had before the ‘Shot Heard Round The World’ a year before our Continental Congress voted for Independence.
1/3 fought for it, 1/3 was neutral, 1/3 was loyal to the crown.
may be good to remember these stats for the future. we need about a third of the people strongly there. the neutrals may help in ways that don’t force them to take sides. the loyals will be the ones worshipping their king.
It didn't go to a democratic vote.
That's the difference.
Democracies are the bane of civilization.
/johnny
I'll take freedom.
They can only kill me once, and they can't eat me, I'm all gristle.
/johnny
With 26 of 32 voting districts reporting, there were 1,397,077 votes, or 54.2 percent, against independence, and 1,176,952, or 45.7 percent, in favor.
Just came from a site that called that a close vote. LOL
54.2 to 45.7 is not a close vote.
NYTs, no wonder...
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/19/world/europe/scotland-independence-vote.html
Like most of Europe, most of the best of Scotland left a long, long time ago. The “Yes” people didn’t think they were getting enough social benefits out of London, and thought they could do better by themselves.
No they certainly would not! Plaid Cymru have no where near the strength of the Scottish Nationalists. There are swathes of Wales (Monmouthshire, Pembrokeshire etc) which still vote Conservative.
Wales (the valleys especially) is a stronghold for the Labour Party, not the noisy nationalists.
miss my point.
point is only a small determined minority of a country is necessary to enact major change. most or even a majority is needed.
the left knows and that’s why they win.
Good move Alba!
That Salmond guy is a moonie
My ex-boss is a Scot and lived in Scotland until 12 years ago when in his mid 20s. He told me beforehand that Edinburgh would be heavily against independence - most are unionists there. Glasgow is different and has majority for independence.
I think both Aberdeen and Edinburgh was 60% No.
In fact it is the “older young” urban working class people who are independentists.
I don’t think even 1 out of 100 FRers got British politics right.
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