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Scottish independence: First referendum results declared
BBC.com ^ | 9/18/14 | ?

Posted on 09/18/2014 6:04:31 PM PDT by blueyon

The first results are coming in for the referendum to decide whether Scotland should stay in the UK or become an independent country.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: alexsalmond; europeanunion; independence; scotland; scotlandyet; scottish; uk; unitedkingdom
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To: dglang

I agree with you.

(I’m of the same stock).


181 posted on 09/18/2014 9:32:26 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: goldstategop

As I said last week, in votes of this kind when there’s a sizable undecided vote near the election, the status quo is bound to prevail. Voters are less likely to vote in permanent unknown changes unless current conditions are intolerable!


182 posted on 09/18/2014 9:37:11 PM PDT by cartoonistx
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To: bd476
Wales would likely vote yes. They have been trying to escape the English domination for centuries. It would be a tough time economically as the mining industries have largely shutdown. Wool and tourism remain.
183 posted on 09/18/2014 9:51:57 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: JRandomFreeper

Closer to 50%, with 20% loyalist in the initial stages of the conflict (1773, thereabouts). The remainder were either indifferent or far away from the conflict up in New England. British lobster backs weren’t often encountered in the far southern colonies. They were left alone, while the most egregious acts against the colonists happened in New England.

When in 1775 the news of Lexington and Concord made it South, the percentage of colonists in favor of Independence increased significantly. By the time of the signing of the Declaration, there were 3 patriots to every loyalist. By the time of Washington’s victory at Dorchester Heights, loyalists were pretty much isolated from other loyalists and feared their surrounding neighbors who had become patriots.


184 posted on 09/18/2014 9:53:31 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: The KG9 Kid
I don't recall a vote being taken about the issue...

/johnny

185 posted on 09/18/2014 9:54:45 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: goldstategop

Yes 1,512,688
No 1,877,252

30 of 32


186 posted on 09/18/2014 10:09:39 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Myrddin

1/3 of residents of Wales are English.

You would think almost all English would vote to stay in the UK.

That means you need ~80% of the Welsh to vote for Independence.


187 posted on 09/18/2014 10:10:01 PM PDT by Reaganez
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To: ltc8k6

It’s now official:

SCOTLAND VOTES “NO”.

The votes are now over the line that makes it official.


188 posted on 09/18/2014 10:11:11 PM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: ltc8k6

30 of 32

Resounding no 55.4 to 44.6


189 posted on 09/18/2014 10:12:29 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: hoagy62
Assuming that anyone cares about votes, of course.

/johnny

190 posted on 09/18/2014 10:13:01 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Well, there was.

That’s what this Scottish bid for independence lacked: When we broke away from the crown, it was our Continental Congress that took up the question of Independence (thank you, Virginians) and produced an instrument in the form of the Declaration of Independence. Congressional representatives from all 13 colonies voted unanimously in favor of it, then it was released to the people. It was an article that set before mankind the subject of the matter in terms so plain so as to command their assent.

All the Scottish ‘Yes’ campaign did was print up buttons and signs and threw up an incoherent website that raised more dubious questions than it answered. They didn’t know what they were talking about.

Turns out that the Scottish nationalists didn’t even have as much support for independence as the American colonies already had before the ‘Shot Heard Round The World’ a year before our Continental Congress voted for Independence.


191 posted on 09/18/2014 10:18:33 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: JRandomFreeper

1/3 fought for it, 1/3 was neutral, 1/3 was loyal to the crown.

may be good to remember these stats for the future. we need about a third of the people strongly there. the neutrals may help in ways that don’t force them to take sides. the loyals will be the ones worshipping their king.


192 posted on 09/18/2014 10:19:00 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: The KG9 Kid
Reps voted.

It didn't go to a democratic vote.

That's the difference.

Democracies are the bane of civilization.

/johnny

193 posted on 09/18/2014 10:20:17 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Secret Agent Man
I'm not sure I give a damn what everyone else wants.

I'll take freedom.

They can only kill me once, and they can't eat me, I'm all gristle.

/johnny

194 posted on 09/18/2014 10:22:44 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ltc8k6

With 26 of 32 voting districts reporting, there were 1,397,077 votes, or 54.2 percent, against independence, and 1,176,952, or 45.7 percent, in favor.

Just came from a site that called that a close vote. LOL

54.2 to 45.7 is not a close vote.

NYTs, no wonder...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/19/world/europe/scotland-independence-vote.html


195 posted on 09/18/2014 10:27:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama and the Left are maggots feeding off the flesh of the United States.)
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To: plain talk

Like most of Europe, most of the best of Scotland left a long, long time ago. The “Yes” people didn’t think they were getting enough social benefits out of London, and thought they could do better by themselves.


196 posted on 09/18/2014 10:30:05 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Myrddin

No they certainly would not! Plaid Cymru have no where near the strength of the Scottish Nationalists. There are swathes of Wales (Monmouthshire, Pembrokeshire etc) which still vote Conservative.

Wales (the valleys especially) is a stronghold for the Labour Party, not the noisy nationalists.


197 posted on 09/18/2014 10:43:21 PM PDT by Tredegar
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To: JRandomFreeper

miss my point.

point is only a small determined minority of a country is necessary to enact major change. most or even a majority is needed.

the left knows and that’s why they win.


198 posted on 09/18/2014 10:47:20 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: blueyon

Good move Alba!

That Salmond guy is a moonie


199 posted on 09/18/2014 10:53:30 PM PDT by wardaddy (Ferguson MO...but i thought blacks went north to escape the racism of mean ol southerners)
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To: GeronL; WeatherGuy

My ex-boss is a Scot and lived in Scotland until 12 years ago when in his mid 20s. He told me beforehand that Edinburgh would be heavily against independence - most are unionists there. Glasgow is different and has majority for independence.

I think both Aberdeen and Edinburgh was 60% No.

In fact it is the “older young” urban working class people who are independentists.

I don’t think even 1 out of 100 FRers got British politics right.


200 posted on 09/18/2014 11:01:47 PM PDT by NZerFromHK
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