Posted on 07/23/2014 8:53:22 PM PDT by tcrlaf
The Communist Party of Ukraine will cease to exist on Thursday, the speaker of Ukraine's parliament announced.
"We only have to tolerate this party for another day," Verkhovnaya Rada speaker Oleksandr Turchinov said on Wednesday in comments carried by online news portal Ostro.org.
Discussion of the Communist Party's dissolution began in earnest in May, after party leader Petro Simonenko said that if he were in charge of the country, he would immediately call back the troops from eastern Ukraine, referring to the military operations taking place there as acts of "war against the people," RIA Novosti reported.
Turchinov, who was serving at the time as acting president, then appealed to the Justice Ministry to request an investigation into the Communist Party's activities.
Russia's State Duma denounced the move at the time, viewing it as an attempt by the new Kiev authorities to "force political and civil forces that do not agree with the path taken by the ultranationalist powers to shut up," according to RIA Novosti.
The Verkhovnaya Rada paved the way for the party's dissolution on Tuesday by amending its rules to vest the speaker of the house with power to dissolve the Communist Party. On Tuesday evening, President Petro Poroshenko signed a bill giving effect to the new regulations.
Turchinov's announcement was made on Wednesday morning amid heavy infighting.
Speaking before his fellow parliamentarians, Simonenko made a statement about Ukraine's security services having allegedly "destroyed" citizens for black-market organ transplants, Interfax reported, citing members of the nationalist Svoboda Party.
Svoboda Party members then accused Simonenko of disseminating false information, and endeavored to physically eject him from the parliament.
An all-out brawl promptly ensued.
Amid the chaos, Turchinov exercised his new powers to announce the party's impending dissolution, before calling for a 15-minute break so deputies could calm down. Following the news, all of the Communist Party members present at the time then reportedly walked out.
“And why do you always feel the need to personally post half of the replies on any one of your threads?”
How many of the posts on this thread have nothing to do with the contents of the article, and are just personal attacks against me for daring to post it?
We need more of that in our Congress.
Who here wouldn’t love to see someone pop Harry Reid one right on the kisser?
“We need more of that in our Congress. Who here wouldn’t love to see someone pop Harry Reid one right on the kisser?”
Love it, but it isn’t going to happen, at least from our side.
We always try to be the adults in the room, which the left uses against us with great effect.
In Nuland’s leaked “F. the EU” conversation, US ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt described Tyahnybok as a problem and Nuland responded that Yatseniuk needed to keep him on the outside.
“Expel all Russians from Ukraine and all will be solved.”
So, in your opinion, the answer is ethnic cleansing?
Frankly, what would be likely to happen here, if it came to that, is that Congress and SCOTUS would be given a timeout until told to return. The Military would take the reigns of government until order was restored which I would imagine would be either real quickly, or not at all until everyone got tired of fighting. In any case the Constitution would be suspended and at some point after order is restored, a Convention would be held to reinstate it with whatever changes were necessary.
You or I may not see what happened in the Ukraine as a revolution, It's such a small country and government that it's difficult to say exactly what it is, but there is no doubt that the Russians clearly have objections to the Ukraine being a free capitalist enclave on their border. They object for numerous reasons, the deepest and most striking one being that a number of Russian leaders of past generations came from the Ukraine and it has a close history with it.
There is however a large vocal group of citizens who want the Ukraine to be free of Russian dominance, a reasonable desire. There are also a pretty much equal number of citizens who either don't mind, or desire a close relationship with Russia, usually because they are of Russian origin.
This has been going on for some time now. The country is too small to split up and now Putin has reclaimed a portion of it for reasons I do not believe are valid.
It now appears he is funding and assisting factions to take another piece of it, essentially isolating Kiev and after that the rest is quite predictable.
So.......
For the Ukraine to deal with this problem, they have to be allowed to deal with it and not treated like Czechoslovakia , Georgia, Poland, (the list is long) by Russian authoritarian rule that has only served to prolong these constant do-over coup's and civil wars.
The Russian appointment of a pro-Russian president on this and many other situations have certainly added fuel to the fire and not accomplished anything.
So one mistake, leads to another and another.
Over and over again we see this.
So we in the US do what we can to intervene to one degree or another. This does a number of things.
It keeps Russia honest and makes them work for their conquests if it does not fend them off for a while and it helps to keep them off balance. This off balance state seems to slow them down.
Since WWII we have been engaged in proxy skirmishes with the USSR and now Russia and there is a damn good reason for it. It is to prevent another catalyst for another world war over the same sort of expansionist, nationalist, authoritarian led country that always gets too big for it's borders and decides after a time that since nobody is standing in it's way, it can therefore take the rest of Europe, or whatever. In any case, I am sick of it!
Whether you like it or not, that is our role in the world (maybe the sole role) and if we someday are not there to stand in the breach, the authoritarian, nationalist led country will indeed expand beyond it's borders.
It's what happens when nobody can or will stand in it's way. It's why we are involved and apparently this seems to be way over some people's pay grade because they don't understand it or they don't agree with interventions because they don't understand the reasons why.
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Because Communists don't use their troops for fighting, they use them against their own citizens unless forced.
In America they have infiltrated all forms of our Gov and need to be tried and executed for treason.
Born here or not they do not deserve to live because of their pure evil intents.
Little do you know that Barry has ties to known KGB agents like Frank Marshall Davis, and yet, stupidly, you will accuse the anti-communists of, in fact, working with the pro-communists.
And if the holders of all the remaining seats are legitimately elected representatives (possibly more legitimate than our own),
They are traitors openly supporting war against their country. Let them go to the East, pick up guns, and hopefully be shot.
Self deportation. If you are Russian, there is already a country for you, called Russia.
Russia pretty much thinks the whole former Soviet Union is theirs.
Those Ukrainians sure are BOSSY! It looks like the wild west, but in color and with no guns blazing.
To be fair, in Ukraine the politicians are mostly
controlled by the oligarchs, and both in turn mostly answer to outside actors: The Pro-West side to (if one wants to pin it down to one location) Brussels, the pro-Russian pols to Moscow. IMO the Nationalists would go their own way if they could, but with an ongoing combination invasion / civil war on their hands, they have no choice but to lean hard to the West.
Insofar as the ouster of the Commies goes, it has to be kept in context: The situation is grim. This invasion / civil war is heavy duty stuff, and the opposition is NOT a bunch of ragged groups with AK-47’s. They have heavy weaponry including very capable anti-aircraft systems and tanks, and a great many opposition fighters have military training, with many straight out of Russian military or intelligence. I would say that the so-called “Nazis” are being considerably more tolerant of the Communists than Abraham Lincoln would be, if in the same situation.
“being duly elected by the people” is hardly a ringing endorsement. Lest we forget, Hamas was ELECTED to lead Gaza. Nazis were winning elections BEFORE Hitler seized the Chancellorship.
There’s freedom of speech and rights of assembly, and then there’s being realistic and truthful about a party that represents murder, thievery on a national scale, and economic disaster.
There’s a reason that former Confederate officers and representatives were banned from running for office immediately after the Civil War.
“If you are Russian, there is already a country for you, called Russia.”
Does the same thing apply to second and third generation Hispanics in America, in your mind???
With all of the propaganda and accusations flying around, it’s easy to forget that many of the rebels, and most of the original ones, were Russians born in Ukraine. It is there home, their “homeland”.
And to forget that it was predicted that the coup would end in civil war, right here on FR, on Jim Robinson’s thread about it, the day after the it happened.
And it is also easy to forget that NONE of this would be happening, had not Obama decided to back the most violent elements of the Maidan protests, as a way of ‘Getting Back” at Putin after the Syria Attack Embarrassment, NONE of this would be happening...
-There would still be a Ukrainian flag flying over Crimea.
-The already called for early elections in Ukraine would have already happened.
-There wouldn’t be a Civil War.
-There would never have been an innocent civilian plane shot down.
-Thousands now dead would still be alive.
-U.S. Troops wouldn’t now be heading for Ukraine as ‘advisors’.
The sad fact that many still won’t accept is that this whole situation has been caused by Obama’s incredible foreign policy failures. Not just one, but MANY, one after another.
(Putin taking advantage of Obama’s blunders shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone). Not just one, but MANY, one after another.
And Obama just keeps upping the ante.
Lincoln would have jailed them, at least
“To be fair, in Ukraine the politicians are mostly controlled by the oligarchs,”
And certain ones, like Kolomoisky, are positioned to make INCREDIBLE money off of the IMF loans.
Where is your evidence that he did that?
How easily you forget Victoria Nuland’s involvement
That is willful and purposeful, right?
http://www.bing.com/search?q=nuland+maidan+involvement&form=IE10TR&src=IE10TR&pc=MAGWJS
Yes they would like it all back.."Called their sphere of influence". But the game board is a lot bigger than just the old USSR.
The Korean war, and the Vietnam war, were also proxy wars fought with us on one side and both the Chinese and the Russians on the other.
North Korea would not even be there today if it were not for the Russians assisting and actually cajoling the Chinese into fighting us there and drawing the war to what was essentially a stalemate while the Russians assisted with intelligence.
Vietnam was pretty similar with the Russians supplying the North with fighter jets that they actually flew themselves..while the Chinese provided the rest.
Again the war was fought to a essential draw, and we left the field, allowing the north to finish off the south Vietnamese. It that war we lost. Lost it all. Not because we could not win, but because the American people were swayed by anti-US propaganda spread by our own media. Looking at Saddam Hussein, who was it that supplied him? Who was it that had thousands of advisers in country and who was it that supplied and then removed most of the Chemical and bio weapons that we did not find?
Who is it that is supplying Iran, Hezbollah and all the rest? Surely they do it through their proxy's, but who facilitated it and why? When you view it from several miles high, the picture gets more clear.
It's a war of attrition with the Russians and Chinese on one side and the US on the other.
It's been that way for some time now..more than 60 years and it's not going to end until it's over.,
The Ron Pauls of this world have total historical blindness and cannot see, or believe it is the US that is causing the Russians and the Chinese to act the way they do and they are wrong. Spectacularly wrong.
The US has tried many times to disengage, but when we do, and for whatever reason we take our eye off the ball for even few days, they will see it and raise the stakes every time.
So we can't...we cannot disengage. if we do...we do so knowing that they will be in our face again and this time the problem will be more difficult and more expensive to mitigate.
Call it preventive maintenance. It's a lot cheaper in the long run.
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