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Drug-testing costs Susquenita student honor society membership
Penn Live ^ | 06/10/2014 | By Eric Veronikis

Posted on 06/12/2014 7:23:06 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd

After Michael and Melinda May's daughter was drug-tested five times in three years at Susquenita Middle School, they refused to sign a permission slip allowing it to happen again.

Leila May was drug-tested once during her fifth grade year, once in sixth grade and three times as a seventh grader because Susquenita School District randomly tests students in grades five through 12 who participate in extracurricular activities and apply for parking permits. 

Without the permission slip signed, Leila was unable to participate in the National Junior Honor Society during her eighth-grade year, which ended last week. But Melinda May said that's what had to happen to ensure the 14-year-old wouldn't have to face another "embarrassing" urine test. All of Leila's tests came back negative, she said.

"We were so tired of this happening over and over again, so we said 'what can we do to make it stop?' We took her out of NJHS because of it," Melinda May said. "It's sad that this is what we had to resort to. It's ridiculous."

Michael May said he and his wife "went to the principal, school board, superintendent – they're all lame on this issue. We even contacted the ACLU. They said it was concerning, but sadly, legal."

"We pulled Leila out of National Honor Society over it," he continued. "That's what caused her to be tested, my straight-A student."

The Duncannon residents aren't the only parents fired up over the district's random drug-testing policy. Kristin Cassell's 10-year-old daughter, Natalie, who just completed the fifth grade, was tested three times last school year.

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What the school is basically saying; "Pee in the cup or you won't get into a good college."
1 posted on 06/12/2014 7:23:06 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

Absolutely astounding.

And I wonder how many of the faculty would pass their own endless battery of tests?


2 posted on 06/12/2014 7:26:26 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Responsibility2nd
Yet Ubama does not have to pee in a cup.
3 posted on 06/12/2014 7:26:32 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Responsibility2nd

People on welfare, food stamps, WIC, SSI, HUD, Section 8 housing don’t have to be drug tested? 10 year old girls do. How about the teachers are they testing the teachers? Adminstrators? How about the school board? What a world we live in!


4 posted on 06/12/2014 7:27:41 AM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Bull- it’s not “random”
their daughter meets some profiling criteria to make the tested sample look “random”, and that is why she was repeatedly selected

maybe they test the honor society achievers repeatedly to even out testing the mass of troublemaking underachievers

and it’s not just pee in a cup, its “pee in a cup while the teacher watches you”


5 posted on 06/12/2014 7:29:35 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Jack Hammer

In my first ten years in the Air Force....I got called in three times for the urine test...no issue. Then I hit some space where they called me six times in six months. After the fourth occasion, I complained to the first sgt that there was something wrong with the random selection process. On the fifth occasion in five months...I had a two minute conversation with the commander. Finally after the sixth time....the base came to admit that there was some faulty data that triggered the system to be non-random. They actually admitted that there were around fifteen of us on base who’d done it six times in six months...which is almost impossible if it was random selection.

I’d be curious in this case how they defined random and made the program work. The geeky kid in school might be in charge of the random selection data program?


6 posted on 06/12/2014 7:32:19 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Responsibility2nd

I’m with the school on this one. Your kid’s in the National Honor Society? Yep, that’s a warning sign for drug use alright. /s


7 posted on 06/12/2014 7:34:38 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Responsibility2nd
Kiss “probable cause” good-bye.
8 posted on 06/12/2014 7:35:51 AM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Random drug tests are a good thing for truck drivers and pilots. For the rest of us, it’s a violation of our right to privacy.

It is also a waste of tax payer dollars.


9 posted on 06/12/2014 7:35:58 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: defconw

Completely ridiculous.... When did we completely give up on the concept of Freedom? And, being secure in our person, places and things?


10 posted on 06/12/2014 7:36:03 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!)
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To: pepsionice

I’m old enough to remember a time no one even bothered about this sort of thing except in the case of ‘reefer addicts’ - and there were d*mned few of THEM.


11 posted on 06/12/2014 7:36:03 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: defconw

How about nobody gets tested? What happened to the idea of presumed innocent?


12 posted on 06/12/2014 7:39:02 AM PDT by Girlene (Hey NSA!)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

January 21, 2009, IIRC.


13 posted on 06/12/2014 7:39:30 AM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“...randomly tests students in grades five through 12 who participate in extracurricular activities and apply for parking permits.”

Oh, I see, so those who do NOT participate in extras are not tested. So yes, penalize those that are more motivated.


14 posted on 06/12/2014 7:41:43 AM PDT by SgtHooper (This is not my tag!)
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To: Girlene

That would be fine as well. But why the Hell are working people subjected to this? While the lay abouts, who are selling and using in a majority of cases getting a free pass?


15 posted on 06/12/2014 7:42:43 AM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Heck my employment says pee in the cup for your desk job or you will pay inflated insurance premiums that only the top management can afford, peon!


16 posted on 06/12/2014 7:46:09 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: pepsionice
Randomness does include some amount of "clumping" of data. When a person tries to "fake" random digits, they rarely put in doubles, but in random series, doubles are really really common. There as some dude caught faking poll data based on that principle, his data had NO instances of duplication between sequential "random" observations.

Not to say your event was random, just that randomness exhibits "clumping". We tend to think that if 1/100 people are called each month, that we'll get called once each hundredth month. But that would be a "regular" or ordered schedule, not a random one.

17 posted on 06/12/2014 7:48:04 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: pepsionice

As a base (Ft Leavenworth) drug testing NCO, I can tell you that the “random” aint always random. Many times we get tips from police or outside drug enforcement agencies and the test a group with specific intent to catch an individual. The attempt is made to make things look random so as to protect informants or other information gathering resources.

For example, a group of individuals frequented a specific location on the fort to smoke. On a tip from a passer by who smelled pot, the CID put up a hidden camera to monitor the location. To there surprise, there were dozens of people lighting up on a regular basis. Apparently, this location was considered a safe zone by the smokers. If each were then ordered to take a drug test, the location would quickly be compromised. Instead, the CID lead investigator would identify an individual and then go to his commander to “screen” the platoon or section or even “random” sample a bunch of names. Next week, next month, another individual would be identified and the process repeated.


18 posted on 06/12/2014 7:49:24 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: SgtHooper

If you think about it, the achievers and free thinkers are the ones who most need to feel the boot of the government, if the government is to maintain its boot.


19 posted on 06/12/2014 7:49:40 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: SomeCallMeTim
Completely ridiculous.... When did we completely give up on the concept of Freedom? And, being secure in our person, places and things?

It's for the children. Drugs are bad, mmkay?

20 posted on 06/12/2014 7:55:58 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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