Posted on 05/09/2014 7:15:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
VATICAN CITY (AP) - Pope Francis called Friday for governments to redistribute wealth to the poor in a new spirit of generosity to help curb the "economy of exclusion" that is taking hold today.
Francis made the appeal during a speech to U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the heads of major U.N. agencies who met in Rome this week.
Latin America's first pope has frequently lashed out at the injustices of capitalism and the global economic system that excludes so much of humanity, though his predecessors have voiced similar concerns.
On Friday, Francis called for the United Nations to promote a "worldwide ethical mobilization" of solidarity with the poor in a new spirit of generosity.
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About 400 years ago you would have been burned for saying that.
Thou shalt not steal
Ex 20:13
15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed” but does nothing about their physical needs EXCEPT TO GIVE THEM A GUITAR, what good is it?
Pope Lenin I.
What’s more, the government takes from people who are the “working poor”, barely making their mortgages, to give to people who sit on their fat azzes when they’re not lying on them breeding one welfare check after another (while the working sucker being extorted can’t afford to have kids).
This rhetoric about “the poor” is a sham, at least in America, where “the poor” (the gimmes, not the working poor) have cable teevee, A/C, are more often than not obese, and have smart phones which they use to network looting mobs.
Our Holy Father is unfortunately using the language of the Left to speak about charity administered in terms of political concepts that lean toward what the West would clearly call *dangerously close to Marx and Marxism.
If socialism has histrorically been opposed and deplored by the Church, as the incubator for Marxism and communism—anathema to the Church, then Pope Francis continues to sound quite different from the Church, if not BE quite different, seen departing from the historical Church on matters of social justice themes, striking an independent track from the historical Church.
That will not fly in the West, among most Catholics. In the West, those Catholics who agree with this political verbage are now outright socialists/Marxist Catholics.
I had to accept some time ago that the Church is infiltrated with Marxists. The 60’s seminaries were subversive and served as the beginning of deep trouble for the Church in the US.
Correct, it’s not an isolated remark, it’s part of a whole pattern.
I might agree. I think it’s too easy to say “he’s an Argentinian statist” though (just as it’s probably too easy to say “he’s just calling for more charity from all of us, voluntary charity not forced redistribution but voluntary”)
The fact of the matter is, he used the phrase “redistribution by the State”. However he also said in relation, “legitimate” and “economic benefits” (IOW not simply “money”).
So, it seems to me what he is saying is, the state should guarantee that every person has an equal opportunity to earn a decent living, and where inequality exists, such as crony capitalism, this should be abolished by the state.
So in this sense he isn’t a “statist” but he is in the sense that he believes the state has a role to play in guaranteeing opportunity for all. (Although I don’t agree that makes one a statist, I can see where one might think and reasonably argue it does).
Really, what we have here, (again I think), is he is strongly promoting in more concrete terms than prior popes, the idea of “subsidiarity”, which is that the state’s job is to guarantee that nothing interfere with local efforts toward human improvement.
In other words very close to the American experiment but not quite in that it assigns a role to the state the US Constitution does not. But it’s a rather small difference I would argue as the ultimate goal is the same: to rid individuals and families of state control, a control that would and does eventually dehumanize them.
Subsidiarity seeks to primarily protect the individual and small local group (family, etc), even at the cost (if necessary) of “free” enterprise. (Although the proponent of subsidiarity would argue , and I agree, it doesn’t work against capitalism per se, rather against crony capitalism and/or capitalism that seeks exploitation of people as a resource, not as partners in the enterprise, which some, with vested interest in same or simply the selfish, would interpret as opposition to capitalism in total)
The point to return to is his use of the word “redistribution” in the context of the state. This interpretation can’t be avoided. However I would submit this is where his Argentinian background would be properly understood as having an influence.
In other words he is speaking to all the Latin American countries where crony capitalism runs amok, and is urging in all such countries where such oppression is seen, the state should step in to redistribute the economic benefit garnered via human exploitation (which is what crony capitalism is). And this redistribution should not be to take money from the rich and give to the poor, rather it should be a redistribution of economic “benefit”, such that other people, rather than just those who have government friends, can start businesses and earn livings for themselves, through their own hard work. Rather than being enslaved by those in their own government who, by favoritism shown to their employers by the state, enable only some to prosper economically, but not all.
So this isn’t Marxist. I should hope that would be clear. If anything “political” it’s “individualist”.
Ummmm...that was my point exactly.
One or two comments might be overlooked. Eight or ten remarks might be chalked up to a language translation that didn't quite get done right. But dozens and dozens of remarks and speeches over many weeks and months make it clear: The Pope is a Marxist.Imagine the Pope regularly talks about the poor - big shock, so did Jesus. But I notice you abandoned the remarks at hand to obfuscate. So allow me to school you...
Pope Francis: ‘Marxist ideology is wrong’
I hope you don't mind, Responsibility2nd(but little else) since you use "die-hard catholics", if I borrow your means of trying to label the Pope by the number of his statements to see if posts can be taken seriously or if they come from a Catholic Hater...
Number of times posted in this thread, Responsibility2nd: 8
what translation is that?
The Vatican has it’s own bank.
How long before he is making deals on same sex marriage and abortion to get access to all that money that belongs to other people?
The Pope of the Nine Commandments.
Perhaps, but the dogma of papal infallibility was instituted in the 1800s by Pope Pius IX. Most recent popes including John XXIII and Benedict XVI have effectively renounced it.
RE: He is speaking to Third World Countries, ruled by plutocracaies....
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Then he needs to say that. I am willing to be deeply contrite to the point of shame, if he is just a simple man out of his element, a victim of Argentinian Marxism which breeds poverty, but the West is crumbling in their Christianity and this stuff is attractive to our enemies.
By now, Pope Francis must surely be informed that his pronouncements are either too confusing to interpret, too shocking for words, too alligned with the words, terms, and general direction of the dangerous Left.
He is shaking the Church in the West. God help us.
1) government doesn't create equality or prosperity, it creates MISERY AND POVERTY and
2) FREEDOM and the FREE MARKET ECONOMY are the only things on earth that creates HAPPINESS, PEACE, and WEALTH.
I am over 74 years old.
Thru my hard work and an inheritance, I have owned 4 houses, with such ownership overlapping.
I have paid out over 80 years of property taxes accordingly. About 50% of those property taxes were used to pay for schools.
I never had any kids.
I sure would like that 50% rebated to me now.
I meant American foreign aid is a subsidy for Swiss banks. Since a lot of it ends up there. In secret accounts.
I meant American foreign aid is a subsidy for Swiss banks. Since a lot of it ends up there. In secret accounts.
From the article:”with the poor in a new spirit of generosity.”
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