Posted on 04/19/2014 11:28:48 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
When Kit Laney answered a knock on his door Saturday, law enforcement officers from the U.S. Forest Service handed him a piece of paper announcing his Diamond Bar Ranch in southwest New Mexico would be shut down Wednesday and his 300 head of cattle grazing there would be removed – one way or the other.
Other Forest Service officials were busy nailing similar notices on fence posts along the highway and informing neighbors that after Feb. 11, they should not attempt to enter the Diamond Bar property.
Laney was not surprised. He knew someday there would be an on-the-ground confrontation to enforce a 1997 court ruling which says his cattle are trespassing on federal land. That day has arrived.
(Excerpt) Read more at teapartytribune.com ...
What was at the time it was signed cannot be denied without due process, just like any title.
If the movement to elect POTUS by popular vote instead of the Electoral College wins, all of this is mute as the population centers will dictate who controls the WH and all of the agencies - and the Western lands will suck hind tit.
The first Civil war cost a full 2% of the population. If that number repeats, that would mean in excess of 6 million dead based on today’s population. Scary thought indeed.
Appears as tho the context has to do with adding land (territories, states) to what agreeably exists...NOT that the gov. can determine what the land is used for...There may be more to this but I didn't search very far...
Article 4, Section 3, Clause 1
Document 7
James Madison, Federalist, no. 43, 290--91
23 Jan. 1788
In the articles of confederation no provision is found on this important subject. Canada was to be admitted of right on her joining in the measures of the United States; and the other colonies, by which were evidently meant, the other British colonies, at the discretion of nine States.
The eventual establishment of new States, seems to have been overlooked by the compilers of that instrument. We have seen the inconvenience of this omission, and the assumption of power into which Congress have been led by it. With great propriety therefore has the new system supplied the defect. The general precaution that no new States shall be formed without the concurrence of the federal authority and that of the States concerned, is consonant to the principles which ought to govern such transactions.
The particular precaution against the erection of new States, by the partition of a State without its consent, quiets the jealousy of the larger States; as that of the smaller is quieted by a like precaution against a junction of States without their consent.
Perhaps these ranchers should open pot shops and abortion clinics on their land so eastern elites will come to their defense.
the CSA was organized before they fired on Fort Sumpter—they wish to strike first—maybe pick a fight so as to cancel the elections and keep control—Obama’s 3rd Term. Reid’s Senate would OK such actions and The House would play along as long as Bony’s in charge. Now we must ride to the sound of the guns. Don’t fire a shot—but if they want to start a war —let it start in the west. Organize! Patriot Party! Tea Party on stroids! We have been warned! Let us not let American Freedom slip into the night without standing up—Remember the old saying? “Better Dead than Red.”
Not true in all cases....some people are buying up whole blocks and altering the landscape to suit their needs.
yeah what I have seen is deeds with the County giving the land
Ping!
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/57836973-90/utah-federal-lands-states.html.csp
Maybe this is the answer states taking over federal lands.
Yep, that’s how I read it.
You're obviously from the Detroit area, show me the proof?
Nobody’s buying consecutive lots, let alone blocks of property just to landscape it..........
I’m glad someone else sees revolution as something that must be avoided unless there is absolutely no other choice. The federal government may be out of control, but it isn’t rounding up people for extermination, going door to door to confiscate weapons, or committing large scale violence against us. People act like we live in a terrible tyranny. That is simply not true, and we should continue to try and resolve our differences peacefully. Civil disobedience is one thing. Raising weapons against fellow Americans is something totally different and much, much worse!
Besides, no one can predict what would happen if violence starts. Do we really think we have the right kind of people in America today to recreate the founding? More likely, it would spell the end of the republic and the onset of a true totalitarian government. Instead of freeing us, it could enslave us! I’m not saying Americans should never resort to violence, but we certainly shouldn’t be the ones to initiate it and things are not as bad as some seem to think.
The state.
There is a three part Youtube lecture by Stephen Pratt to the Western States Sheriffs Assn that covers that, and much more. It covers Roman Law, Common Law (and their origins and differences), the Constitution and it's writer (Gouverneur Morris, ever heard of him?), Original Intent, Hidalgo and more. Just a great source to start understanding the problem.
It is the water rights that are 'titled' on public land. If you have the water rights, you also own grazing rights on enough land to utilize the water.
Strange proposition for an Easterner, but it comes from Spanish law that was in place when the Hidalgo Treaty was signed, and remains so until today.
By law, it cannot be changed, but Agenda 21 and our Progressive Gov't will eventually eliminate all of the rights holders, resulting in the end of Western ranching.
There is a little problem. 100% of our land has a title dating back to the Republic of Texas. There are NO leins against the property and we have all the mineral rights.
If they try to take ours, there will be a war. Declared by my neighbors and the entire State of Texas.
There is almost NO Federal Property in Texas. Except for military reservations and such related buildings.
And I have read that citizens of the State of Texas own 25% of the total firearms in the U.S. That comes to more than 2 per ever man woman and child in the state. Is that enough?
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