Posted on 04/11/2014 4:42:10 PM PDT by don-o
President Barack Obama reminisced about the conspiracy theories surrounding his birth certificate during a speech at the National Action Network convention in New York City Friday afternoon. Obama referenced the doubts about his citizenship that led him to release a copy of his birth certificate in 2011, while criticizing voter I.D. laws that require people to present documentation like passports and birth certificates to vote.
"Just to be clear, I know where my birth certificate is," he added.
Obama then began to laugh.
"You remember that? That was crazy," said Obama. "Haven't thought about that in a while."
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The MO of Obots is to distract the discussion away from anything that hurts Obama. The author bio seriously hurts Obama. As in, it cripples his HI narrative. All the other items you mention have been discussed & debated a million trillion times. So I choose to discuss a point the Obots hate, & for which they have no coherent answer. That bothers you. I understand. Were I am Obot, it would bother me too.
When its a Nerf ax and it takes more than seven years to fall, it kind of loses its lethality. But boy, if that Obama tries to run for a third term, he’s toast.
My personal belief, and that is all it is, just an explanation that fits the evidence we do know, is that Obama CLEARLY has citizenship issues, and if his bio dad is Obama Sr, which it probably is because you can see resemblances that are fairly strong with those half brothers, his mom must have given birth outside the USA or he would have been a citizen, no need to fake it or steal SS numbers etc. So Occam’s razor dictates that she gave birth outside our borders.
There is no evidence she lived with Obama ever, or even were much of a couple. And this was 1961. Getting knocked up at 17 was bad all around. A white girl getting knocked up with a married black man’s baby was even too edgy for the communist Dunhams. Especially TW Grandma. They probably sent her where all her high school classmates went when they got knocked up. To the unwed mothers’ homes over the border and a skip away from her Seattle school, in Vancouver, Canada.
The baby was to be given up for adoption and Stanley Ann was to come back from her “vacation” and continue studying in Hawaii. She must have changed her mind and decided to keep him. Thus she shows up in Seattle with a newborn she doesn’t know how to care for, and starts attending college there.
Having never thought about keeping him, the family didn’t realize that laws were such that Stanley Ann’s baby would not be a citizen of America, Stanley being too young to confer it.
There is no reason, no logic, no connection to Obama Sr having taken her to Kenya. She was a young teen, that’s a long trip, and he had a wife and kids there. I do not think Madelyn Dunham would have permitted that.
What was the earth shaking March announcement?
It hurts him . . how? He's still the President. He's won all the court cases directed his way. The Congress unanimously confirmed his election (twice). In the media Birtherism is a joke of an issue represented by the likes of Donald Trump and Orly Taitz. And this bio hasn't moved the needle on the gauge one bit.
Good grief. If this is "being hurt," what, pray tell, does being helped look like?
As in, it cripples his HI narrative.
Nah, that narrative has won the Hawaiian Ironman Triathlon.
All the other items you mention have been discussed & debated a million trillion times
So help me out here, what is the "Birther" response to the 1) the Indonesian school application from 1968 and 2) the Times, Post, and Tribune articles from 1990? I don't think the old saw "it's forged" bails out the Birthers in these instances.
So I choose to discuss a point the Obots hate, & for which they have no coherent answer.
The simple and coherent answer is that the bio was a small circulation piece, for which Obama was one of 90 entries; that there was no real need to proof this extensively; that the agency admitted the mistake; and that and in the context of the time (where the media outlets had just recently reported the "born in Hawaii" narrative clearly taken from interviews with Obama himself) that the mistake is obvious.
I forgot to say that my explanation for the author bio is that Obama wrote it, longing to be more “African.” As a teen he was longing to be part of and accepted by the American black community. And back then, all things African were REVERED by blacks. Check out old issues of Essence. Look at people in big American cities walking around in dashikis, changing their names from Steve to Ali. He had this wonderful in, legitimately being half African. Being born in Canada wasn’t as exotic. Can you imagine the doors that opened, with his smooth talk, and saying he was from Kenya? He was a successful community organizer with that precious fact. Do you think he brought up his white family ever?
Your interpretation of the events is shared by some others on this site that I profoundly respect. The one thing it doesn’t explain are the persistent rumors that swirl like the smoke of a prairie fire around Obama and have since Day One. You know the saying; where there’s that much smoke, etc.
Otoh, your explanation checks one critical box. The CCP discovered that the record of foreign arrivals to HI had been removed. Removed, that is, for the week containing Aug. 4, 1961, and only that week.
Your narrative explains that redaction very neatly. Granny Dunham traveled to Canada for the birth of her only daughter’s first child. That would not have been unusual for that day and age. It would also explain how SAD got to Seattle sans knowledge of diaper changing; Maddy had done it up till then.
Of course Obama’s HI narrative could not survive a record of Maddy returning to HI from CA the very wk of Obama’s supposed birth. [Personally I believe he was born in the third wk of July, ‘61. No sane, sentient adult confuses their own B-Day, especially as the big 5-O rolls around. Obama slipped up a couple of yrs ago and mentioned his real B-Day. No other explanation, short of senility.] So the redaction the National Archives, highly illegal though it was, necessarily occurred.
Anyway, I have to run so that’s it for me for the time being. If I didn’t believe the Kenyan narrative, I’d go w Canada. As I said, it does check a highly critical box.
You would laugh too if you had fooled the American public like he has. I’d laugh too.
You got that right. A whole book could be written on the questions the MSM has never asked him—things they would
hound a conservative to death over. In fact, the very same Obots who are falling all over each other to excuse Obama’s born-in-Kenya claim would die of apoplexy if a conservative had a similar situation. The sad part is that they genuinely can’t see it. Hypocrisy is a scary thing.
Yet not long before that bio was composed, Obama was the subject of national media reports on his ascendency to the Presidency of the Harvard Law Review. Those reports stated he was born in Hawaii. If Obama longed to hold himself out as being from Africa, wouldn't that have been the time to stake out his claim to African birth? You really think he passed up that opportunity with national media and instead opted for puny little bio to be sent only to a handful of publishing houses?
In light of the articles in the Times, Post and Tribune the year prior, it's not credible to maintain Obama wrote a bio with contrary information the next year.
I have just read through this thread to this point (#105) and your ongoing patience and persistent cool logic under fire is impressive.
One thing that is genuine about aka obama, if nothing else is, is that he is a hopeless, flaming narcissist. Every speech he makes on almost any subject ends up revolving around him somehow. He uses more personal pronouns per sentence than a bleached-brain, inflated-ego sorority queen vomiting up saccharin how-I’d-save-the-world nonsense in a two-bit beauty contest. It’s all “I this, me that, I, I, me, me, my, my...” all the time.
There is absolutely no way such a shallow narcissistic fool who is so shamelessly in love with himself would not repeatedly lap up every single delicious word of his own biography (Hey, everybody - I’m in PRINT and it looks so official and professional and, hey, it’s all about ME!). To claim that the supreme infantile egoist aka obama simply did not notice his own bio (over many years and several revisions, I might add) is beyond incredible, even for an obot. It is mind numbing beyond belief. These people simply have no shame.
The fact that you are an idiot strongly implies that you are a liberal. Also your tendency to misconstrue, misunderstand, and mislead, also implies that you are a liberal.
Dishonesty and ignorance is the Liberal's stock in trade, and that's all i've seen from you since you've manifested yourself on this website. From my perspective, it's a pretty safe bet that you are a liberal troll running interference on behalf of Obama. This conclusion appears to me to be self evident, and it is why I really don't take you seriously.
CpnHook is Patrick McKinnion, aka PatGund on fogbow.
I should not be surprised. I pegged him as a dishonest creep right from the beginning. But if I might ask, how do we know this?
I thought you were going to take a seat on the sidelines and not reply to me. I'd start asking you questions again. But I know you can't answer and will just retreat once more.
I'm pretty sure you are an Obot troll, and to take your questions at face value is to imply they have some sort of legitimacy.
No, you don't ask questions for illumination, you only ask questions in your efforts to deceive and mislead. I often have better things to do.
According to the booklet itself, the text was edited by Miriam Goderich, who has since become Dystel's partner at Dystel & Goderich, an agency founded in 1994.
and
He [Jay Acton of Acton & Dystel] indicated that while "almost nobody" wrote his or her own biography, the non-athletes in the booklet, whom "the agents deal[t] with on a daily basis," were "probably" approached to approve the text as presented.
So Obama "almost" certainly didn't write the bio but "probably" approve it.
Miriam Goderich's statement:
"This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me--an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote in an emailed statement to Yahoo News. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more."
The problem with the Canadian birth is why register the birth in Hawaii?
The current Washington law RCW 70.58.080(6) reads “If there is no attending physician or midwife, the father or mother of the child, householder or owner of the premises, manager or superintendent of the public or private institution in which the birth occurred, shall notify the local registrar, within ten days after the birth, of the fact of the birth, and the local registrar shall secure the necessary information and signature to make a proper certificate of birth.”
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=70.58.080
So why not register him in Washington? They would have the baby and family friends and relatives to verify the birth.
By 1995 he wasn’t into “Africa” any more?
“From his childhood in Hawaii, where he was born,” From “The Crisis” October, 1995.
He doesn’t know who his parents were let alone know where his BC is.
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