Posted on 04/11/2014 11:23:53 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s decades-long battle against the federal government over grazing rights has heated to the point where militia groups have joined in and taken up spots against the feds who’ve circled his land — and talk is, they’re not afraid to open fire.
A spokesman for the one of the militia groups said as much to local 8 News Now: I’m not “afraid to shoot,” he said.
Margaret Houston, Mr. Bundy’s sister and a cancer survivor, said at a town hall gathering this week that the situation “was like a war zone” and that she felt “like I was not in the United States,” The Daily Mail reported. The Las Vegas Review-Journal described it this way: “Serious bloodshed was narrowly avoided,” in a story about how dogs were unleashed on a woman who was pregnant while the rancher’s son was hit with a taser.
On Tuesday, armed Bureau of Land Management agents stormed Mr. Bundy’s property, escalating a court dispute that’s wound for two decades over the rancher’s refusal to pay for grazing fees.
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Now militia groups are on the scene, promising to help the Bundys keep up the fight.
“This is what we do, we provide armed response,” Jim Lordy, with Operation Mutual Aid, told the local broadcast station. “They have guns. We need guns to protect ourselves from the tyrannical government.”
Mr. Lordy also said “many more” militia groups are coming to the site to join in the Bundy family defense.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
I know all of this...this today, ain’t that
I follow the money...because behind it are the strings being pulled to create situations...often coming from several sources. As I mentioned upthread...when the Gov. is involved it’s like unraveling a ball of string...and I leave no stone unturned that’s wrapped in with the Gov.
Who decided to bring the situation to a head...and why now? Who authorized armed BLM’s to go in at this time....and why are the powers of Nevada state suddenly quite closed mouthed for the most part.
“Park Rangers were made into Obama’s “Good Germans” and many hated it.”
ORLY?
Strict proof, please.
I have dealt with the Dept. of Interior up to and including the Asst. Sec and the Sec. of Interior. Michael Haydon was an ass, and a collectivist one, too. Sec. Luhan was different, much more of a traditional American.
In the end, the bureaucraps always win because they stay until retirement and the elected come and go.
They way I describe battle with the evil (but effective) libs is like this:
A conservative is standing in the alley bitching about the bad light because he can't see to read his pocket copy of the Marquess de Queensbury rulebook, which he'd never go out without. Meanwhile, the libs are swinging lead pipes for the cheap seats at his kidneys.
They may be evil, and may be wrong on every single issue, but they never back down from a fight, and once in, they fight to win. The one single thing they're right about.
Allow me:
If the Constitution means whatever the Supreme Court says that it means then the Supreme Court is not of lesser authority but greater than the Constitution — however, we know that the Supreme Court was instituted and authorized by the Constitution and must therefore be inferior.
Except that the supremacy clause is only for things pursuant to the Constitution itself — in all other cases it is legal nullity [as affirmed by the 9th and 10th Amendments]. Therefore, just because the government says [e.g.] drugs are illegal, does not make drugs illegal — indeed, the Constitution had to be amended in order to make it possible for the federal government to make alcohol illegal.
East of the Mississippi River....the federal government rarely controls more than two percent of a state’s land resources. West of Texas....it’s closer to sixty to seventy percent. All of this...because of Roosevelt’s attitude on the government holding the land as a natural resource.
Personally, I think it’s time to talk land resources. I can see some agree on forest areas to be saved....as we did east of the Mississippi. But the general limit ought to be less than ten percent of a state can be federally retained. Start dispensing of the properties....limiting sales of land to 400 acres per person....per decade. No foundation or company purchases. If you don’t live on the property, you lose the property within two years.
BLM and the forestry mafia can all downsize. If the fed guys want to hand some of the property over to states themselves....fine, limit them to ten percent as well. Once you put the live-on the property rule into effect...none of these environmental hoodlums will participate.
Good, what’s the rush. Let the government wait and let’s disarm all these bureaucracies.
Correct, the rancher is wrong, but the BLM is “wronger”. It’s the mentality of power, not individual liberty. It’s time to change.
That’s to keep the general aviation guys from running into the drones.
Ohhhhhh, Ohhhhhh!!!!
Mistah Kottah!!! Mistah Kottah!!!
I know, I know!!!
Ohhhhhh, Ohhhhh!!!
“I have a note from my mother!”
;-)
I listened to the man last night, and it seems pretty clear to me that his is simply disputing the right of the federal government to assert ownership of land that it holds in trust for the people. He says it’s wrong that the Federal Government claims it “owns” 80% of Nevada.
I actually agree with that. Americans — even conservatives it seems — have this notion that can’t shake that land must belong to someone. It seems very hard to explain to people that just because land is unpurchased by individuals that it automatically is NOT owned by the Federal Government. This idea that the Federal Government “paid” Mexico for this land and took “ownership” after a war is a terribly misplaced idea. The Federal Government did nothing more nor less than the American Revolutionaries did in winning independence from the British. Did the Federal Government then “own” each of the 13 colonies? After the Louisianna Purchase, did the Federal Government “own” everything from Louisiana angling up toward Wyoming from the Mississippi west?
Or was it simply a new establishment of American borders with the Federal Government in a role of responsibility over those millions of acres within new borders? Is the Federal Government an individual in that it, like a monarch, exerts ownership over crown properties?
A steward does not own anything. A steward simply watches over the property of his boss. And since the Constitution gives the Federal Government direct control of only a limited list of places, that means the bulk of the steward’s watched over property is owned by the steward’s BOSS. That boss is “we the people of the United States in order to establish a more perfect union”.
Any power not granted to the Federal Government is reserved for the States or for the People.
The first constitutional branch of government mentioned is THE People.
The second is the States.
Old Clive Bundy is standing on principle. That principle is that the land in question is within the borders of Nevada, and that it, therefore, belongs to Nevada. And unclaimed and unpurchased, as of yet, by individuals it is “open range”. He is using open range and is willing to pay Nevada reasonable fees.
I agree with you. That and standing up for principle. See post #353.
He's not a criminal, and our idiot government doesn't need a bunch of snipers ready to plug everyday Americans if they cross a "free speech" line. That's obscene.
BTW...Here ‘tis...
I would venture a guess that this has been bastardized for so long people have just rolled over and accepted it because no one fought hard enough to nip it in the bud in the beginning...
Because of the “Equal Footing Doctrine,” which supposedly insured that all states were equal in their sovereign power...
Article I, Section 8 specified how the federal government might acquire land and the purposes for which it could be acquired from the states....
I would go on with the idea that the 10th Amendment further declared that “powers not explicitly granted to the federal government” were retained by the states and the people.
So...If there is blame to go around, it could be equally distributed between the Feds (for exploiting and intimidation) and most of the people for not paying attention to these provisions...
I am still looking for the actual parameters where the government can come in and “take”, after the fact, private land, or dictate how YOUR land is managed through ecological statutes or regulations...
That book may be as big as the tax code...
But it may give some people the direction they need to help in finding out these parameters...
Sure, the battle can be fought with guns and vacuous amounts of ammunition...Lots of deaths, lots of injuries on both sides...
And that is what the government wants, because they have the sustainability that the people do not have, much less the outrage, at this point...
I’m not here to argue the point, if there was one presented...But this is what I found and dictated over the last few minutes...
The key here is to tie in and make public outside of this website and the FoxNews crowd, that Harry Reid, his former senior advisor, who is NOW the director of the Nevada BLM...
And that there is rumors of the Chinese wanting to put up a huge solar panel “farm” in that area...
This reeks of eminent domain, but it is being implemented in another way instead of through the normal “due process” procedures...
Just my initial take...
There are possible fed Provocateurs that have infiltrated the Militias, etc... and are hoping to get someone to shoot at the BLM first. That way they have an excuse to crack down.
It is absolutely imperative that the protesters remain peaceful and restrained.
Now if the BLM opens fires first, then will have no moral authority. Which means they will ultimately lose.
We have to pray for everyone there that violence does not occur. We also have to pray for our Republic that God has blesses us with.
I apologize for the confusion. I agree with you about federal courts’ extra-Constitutional upholding of increased federal powers.
I thought my statement about Marbury v. Madison gumming up the works revealed how I feel about over-reaching power of federal courts.
And that, in a nutshell, is where things apparently stand this morning .. 12 Apr 14
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Posted on 11 April, 2014 by Rick Wells
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