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Ukrainians, and Americans, are the Children of History
Townhall.com ^ | April 8, 2014 | Michael Barone

Posted on 04/08/2014 10:35:55 AM PDT by Kaslin

If you've been following events in Ukraine closely, you may have seen maps, available at electoralgeography.com, showing how the ethnic Russian areas voted heavily for one candidate and the ethnic Ukrainian areas for another.

However, as the eminent historians of Eastern Europe Timothy Snyder and Anne Applebaum have written, the division is not simply based on ethnicity or language. Almost all Ukrainians can speak Russian and most can speak or at least understand the closely related Ukrainian.

The maps suggest a different story. This division of Ukraine is based, most of all, on history.

Consider the far western part of Ukraine around Lviv. In the 2010 presidential election, only about 10 percent there voted for the pro-Russia and now ousted Viktor Yanukovych.

This area was heavily Catholic and part of Poland between World War I and World War II. Before that it was in the Austria part of the Austro-Hungarian empire.

These were areas with relatively good rule of law and considerable democratic heritage. Austria instituted universal male suffrage in 1907.

Two fringe areas of western Ukraine had higher Yanukovych percentages. One is Ruthenia, part of the less democratic Hungary half of Austria-Hungary before 1918. The other was part of Romania before World War II.

Southern and eastern Ukraine, which voted between 60 and 90 percent for Yanukovych, had a starkly different heritage. Much of its land was acquired in the 18th century by Catherine the Great and was settled only in the late 19th.

Odessa on the Black Sea became Czarist Russia's great grain-exporting port in the late 19th century, with a large Jewish population later murdered in the Holocaust.

In Ukraine's far east, the city of Donetsk was founded only in 1869. Its steel industry was vastly expanded by Stalin and manned with an influx of people from the Russian countryside.

The political heritage in these areas is purely Czarist and Soviet, with little or no rule of law and just the barest smidgen -- in the last Czarist years -- of electoral democracy.

Further away from the Black Sea is north-central Ukraine and the capital of Kiev, an area that voted about 30 percent for Yanukovych. This was ruled by Russia for years, but not forever. It was part of the relatively free Kingdom of Poland from the 16th until the partition of Poland in 1772.

It seems farfetched to suppose that centuries-old events and migrations could be reflected in the election results of 2010 and the overthrow of a regime in 2014. But you can see the mark of history on current electoral politics elsewhere, in Europe and North America.

Take Poland. In its 2010 election one candidate carried the regions that were part of the German Empire and most that were in Austria-Hungary before 1918; the other carried the areas that were part of Czarist Russia except for metro Warsaw.

Or move west to Germany. In post-World War II politics, the Christian Democrats have carried most regions that were Catholic after the Peace of Westphalia in 1648, and the Social Democrats have carried most regions that were Protestant.

And then there is the United States. Southern whites remained overwhelmingly Democratic for almost 100 years after the Civil War. During that period, the Republican strongholds were northern areas settled by New England Yankees and their progeny.

Party allegiances were reversed in a process that took half a century, but the regions are still distinctive, with southern whites heavily Republican and the Yankee diaspora generally Democratic.

Many counties in the Appalachian chain still vote as they fought in 1861. Exceptions are coal counties, which swung Democratic with unionization and now swing Republican thanks to Barack Obama's "war on coal."

How can history have such an impact on current politics?

Habits of the heart, passed on from century to century, vary depending on the strength or weakness of the rule of law, government's responsiveness or lack there of, and the degree of opportunity to participate in voluntary associations. And on religious belief and tradition.

These heritages tend to shape political preferences. As Samuel Huntington noted in "The Clash of Civilizations," most countries with Protestant and Catholic heritages are peaceful and orderly. Eastern Orthodox countries suffer more turmoil and many Muslim nations have dismal governance and violent conflict.

We like to think we're autonomous adults. But we are also the children of history.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Russia
KEYWORDS: russia; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko

1 posted on 04/08/2014 10:35:55 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
To find the foundation of American traditions, start about 200 years before 1861.

A great reference is Richard Frothingham’s 1872 “The Rise of the Republic of the United States.”

https://archive.org/details/cu31924032742698

2 posted on 04/08/2014 11:00:16 AM PDT by Jacquerie ( Article V.)
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To: Kaslin
As Samuel Huntington noted in "The Clash of Civilizations," most countries with Protestant and Catholic heritages are peaceful and orderly. Eastern Orthodox countries suffer more turmoil and many Muslim nations have dismal governance and violent conflict.

I wonder how true that is. Spain, Germany, England have had violent pasts and the civil war in the USA was equally bloody and both participants were heavily Protestant with some Catholics and next to no others

E. Orthodox suffering more turmoil? I don'tthink there has been enough time to make that statement. Most have been under Turks and then communism for too long

3 posted on 04/08/2014 12:07:59 PM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Kaslin
Ukrainians, and Americans, are the Children of History

Aren't we all???

4 posted on 04/08/2014 12:24:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin
Austria instituted universal male suffrage in 1907.

HMMMmmm...

5 posted on 04/08/2014 12:26:34 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Jacquerie
To find the foundation of American traditions, start about 200 years before 1861.

Or earlier...


 
 
 
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6 posted on 04/08/2014 12:27:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

For sure.


7 posted on 04/08/2014 2:08:09 PM PDT by Jacquerie ( Article V.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; GeronL; AuH2ORepublican

http://www.electoralgeography.com/new/en/

Cool site for foreign election maps


8 posted on 04/08/2014 2:17:51 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Cronos
I wonder how true that is. Spain, Germany, England have had violent pasts and the civil war in the USA was equally bloody and both participants were heavily Protestant with some Catholics and next to no others.

Maybe "are" means "at present." Most Protestant countries have their major conflicts already far behind them in the distant past.

For Catholic countries such conflicts were more recent. For Muslim countries they are going on now or are yet to happen.

With Eastern Orthodox countries, it's hard to tell. I don't see Greece or Serbia or Russia going through anything anymore cataclysmic than what they've already been through.

I'd say on this scale they're closer to France or Spain or Italy than to either Britain and Scandinavia on the one hand or the Middle East and the Maghreb on the other, though as they may be less affluent and integrated into the developed world their future is less clear than that of France or Italy.

Of course, the assumption that the worst conflicts are behind us is only an assumption that may be brutally refuted by events at some point.

9 posted on 04/08/2014 2:32:37 PM PDT by x
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To: Kaslin

The current crisis is a also that of the Ukrainian national identity, and this battle has been going on for the last 300 years. Little Russian vs Ukrainian.

The biggest symbols for this conflict are Mykola Gogol and Taras Shevchenko. The first one was a Little Russian through and through. While acknowledging the mental and historical distinctiveness of Ukraine, his world view was that Ukraine was to ally herself with Muscovy and contribute to the All Russian empire project.

Shevchenko, on the other hand, was THE Ukrainian. He saw Russia as a hostile foreign power that murdered the Ukrainian Cossacks and enslaved the nation (see Russian introduction of serfdom). He was calling for a rebellion.

Geography didn’t matter here at all, one was from Poltava oblast, the other from Cherkassy oblast, neighbouring regions in central Ukraine. Both lived at the same time, early-mid 19th century. Yet, such opposing views.


10 posted on 04/08/2014 6:14:30 PM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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To: Cronos

“I wonder how true that is. Spain, Germany, England have had violent pasts and the civil war in the USA was equally bloody and both participants were heavily Protestant with some Catholics and next to no others”

There you go, Cronos, spoiling a perfectly good story with some bothersome facts.


11 posted on 04/08/2014 6:17:44 PM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: Elsie

No, those self-promoting Mayflower upstarts were over a decade behind the real foundation at Jamestown, Virginia.


12 posted on 04/08/2014 6:19:01 PM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: Kaslin
As to current history, I can report that a lot of Ukrainians decided they did not especially like Ukraine.

Metro Seattle, specifically the east side, has one of the largest groups of Ukrainian expatriates in the world.

And, the rumors are true - Russian girls are beautiful, but they rarely smile.

I am also sorry to report that many in the first generation of Russian immigrants are not inclined to give up 100 years of Socialism.

I had to make a work related call to the east side Social Service office several years ago and - I am not making this up - was instructed to “Press 2 for Russian.”

I think that was the first time I completely accepted the fact that the economic collapse of the United States is inevitable!

13 posted on 04/08/2014 7:08:31 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: x

Russia will probably break up in our lifetimes — by 2030. Putin has no real successor.


14 posted on 04/08/2014 11:07:52 PM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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