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Second BitCoin exchange (FlexCoin) wiped out by theft
FlexCoin ^ | Mar 4, 2014 | FlexCoin

Posted on 03/04/2014 8:42:51 AM PST by Izzy Dunne

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To: Vince Ferrer
There is a future for this kind of thing, but it is not for the storage of wealth. It will succeed when the primary use is for the transmission of wealth, like in credit card transactions.

*Perfectly* stated. In fact, the same can be said of the dollar.

41 posted on 03/04/2014 9:48:23 AM PST by The Duke ("Forgiveness is between them and God, it's my job to arrange the meeting.")
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To: djf

Maybe I don’t understand the process, which is highly likely.

FlexCoin is not a source of their own BitCoin, but a holder of some BitCoin?

Like Bank holding US currency, or a Bank with its own currency?


42 posted on 03/04/2014 9:54:52 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: DariusBane
Just look at/research what the "Big Three" American auto makers did to Mr. Tucker and his revolutionary 1948 "Tucker Torpedo" automobile and you have your answer.

The so-called "powers that be" do NOT like ANY competition which may threaten their power, monopolies or position over the masses.

43 posted on 03/04/2014 10:05:12 AM PST by Jmouse007 (Deliver us from this evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
After Mt. Gox shut down, and now $615,000 is stolen, is this the end of BitCoin?

No.

$615K is a rounding error for some institutions.

44 posted on 03/04/2014 10:05:52 AM PST by Lee N. Field (I beat wasp nests with a stick for fun.)
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To: thackney

I am not sure exactly what happened at Flexcoin.

Bitcoins are kept in “wallets”, which are encrypted data files.

When a transaction occurs, the related data (originating wallet ID, destination wallet ID, number of coins, time and date, etc, etc, etc) are recorded into what is called the blockchain, a mondo data file that has all the transactions that ever existed.

The levels of encryption insure, for instance, that I would not be able to build on my machine a “fake” blockchain that says I have a billion bitcoins and spend them somewhere.

Wallets can be kept “locally”, which means on your own machine (or even a thumb drive if you want), or they can be kept/held at an exchange on your behalf (with whatever ID/Password security they adhere to).

My BCT addr:
1Fq34hXN1dzBrDXNCq23G3HrSVKj3bYHSd

Anyone who wants to can tickle me pink and send me a few hundred...

;-)

Anyways, so whatever got hijacked was stolen from wallets at Flexcoin that were either outright owned by Flexcoin, or were being held on behalf of customers of Flexcoin.

I tried buying Bitcoins about a year ago, but couldn’t get it to take my CC transaction. I’m sorta P’d about it because they were about $20 at the time.


45 posted on 03/04/2014 10:11:23 AM PST by djf (OK. Well, now, lemme try to make this clear: If you LIKE your lasagna, you can KEEP your lasagna!)
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To: djf

Thanks for the reply.

I understand that to mean FlexCoin was more like robbing a bank then breaking into the mint.


46 posted on 03/04/2014 10:15:01 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Either like going to the teller and robbing the bank (in which case the bank takes the hit) or like going into the bank, forcing them to open the vault, and robbing the safe deposit boxes.


47 posted on 03/04/2014 10:17:13 AM PST by djf (OK. Well, now, lemme try to make this clear: If you LIKE your lasagna, you can KEEP your lasagna!)
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To: Izzy Dunne

The secret hacker basement under the Federal Reserve has been busy undermining any non-State/non-Central Bank currencies ...


48 posted on 03/04/2014 10:17:49 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: djf

Thank you for the explanations.

Somehow I got the idea that there was many different types of bitcoins, not one type with multiple exchanges.


49 posted on 03/04/2014 10:25:13 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Well, “bitcoin” in a generic sense, meaning a form of e-currency.

There are about 15 or so main forms, the two biggest being Bitcoin and Litecoin, having values in the dollar range.

The majority of them are only worth pennies.

https://vircurex.com/


50 posted on 03/04/2014 10:30:43 AM PST by djf (OK. Well, now, lemme try to make this clear: If you LIKE your lasagna, you can KEEP your lasagna!)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Bitcoin going bye bye. Surprise, surprise, surprise.


51 posted on 03/04/2014 10:34:53 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: djf

Okay, so I wasn’t completely confused.

But BitCoin is BitCoin regardless of the house/bank name.


52 posted on 03/04/2014 10:36:52 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Well, the largest legal owner of BitCoin was the US Government from when they confiscated the assets of drug dealers and other criminals.
Depending on the losses the USA government would take and the potential to confiscate future criminal finances the USA government might find it in their interest to help out (or not).
53 posted on 03/04/2014 10:37:44 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: thackney

Correct.
Bitcoin is Bitcoin. Litecoin is different from Bitcoin.

A vendor that accepts Bitcoins is free to laugh his rear off if you expect him to take Litecoins.

Just like dollars, euros, pesos, francs, rubles...


54 posted on 03/04/2014 10:41:15 AM PST by djf (OK. Well, now, lemme try to make this clear: If you LIKE your lasagna, you can KEEP your lasagna!)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Leaving bitcoin on an exchange and NOT in “cold storage” is like leaving your cash laying around on the counter at the bank. Its not protected and its not in your hand.

This is NOT a problem with the Bitcoin protocol. This is a problem with idiots who do not understand how stuff works.

Your momma told you not to leave cash laying around. I guess your nerd buddies need to explain bitcoin.


55 posted on 03/04/2014 10:51:19 AM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

They went up about5 $100 apiece yesterday.

I made a quick $1400. Nice way to spend the day. Fleecing college kids of their loan money.


56 posted on 03/04/2014 10:52:36 AM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: The Duke

It will succeed when a credit card processor puts this into their system. A vendor who wishes to accept bitcoin can get lower fees, and conversion directly into the fiat of their choice. It is as secure as the credit card company, and cuts the banks out.

If its co-opted by Visa or Mc, it will save that company (not that they need saving today) and it will break them into the general money transfer business of the likes of Western Union.

All of this stuff will have to evolve and merge. Its a good paradigm. Once the idiots and crooks are driven out, it will be fine.


57 posted on 03/04/2014 10:57:25 AM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: DariusBane

Could be the IRS/NSA tag teaming .


58 posted on 03/04/2014 10:58:21 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: Izzy Dunne

When people buy bitcoins, don’t they have the encryption code (or whatever the term is) for their so-called assets? If someone steals the data from an exchange, couldn’t the rightful owners still claim ownership of the encrypted data code and therefore sell off the bitcoin(s) as if the theft never happened?

If I ever owned any bitcoins I’d print out my entire ‘wallet’ onto paper so I’d know which ‘coins’ were rightfully mine. Anyone trying to sell my coins would expose themselves and risk getting busted, or at the very least they’d be exposed as trafficking in fraudulent bitcoins.

I mean, it seems kinda like trying to sell a stolen painting through an art auction. Once the thief goes public they’re busted. Or am I wrong?


59 posted on 03/04/2014 11:07:43 AM PST by Two Kids' Dad (((( ))))
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To: PieterCasparzen

I would argue that the Central Banks are The State.

We have a veneer of a republic but I don’t think that is really how power gets moved around the earth.


60 posted on 03/04/2014 11:08:40 AM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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