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BREAKING: Utah legislators move to kill NSA data center
Ben Swann ^ | 2/12/14 | Michael Lotfi

Posted on 02/13/2014 9:40:01 AM PST by Baynative

SALT LAKE CITY, February 12, 2014–Can Utah shut down the new NSA data center by turning off the water? A new bill introduced by state Rep. Marc Roberts seeks to do just that.

The legislation drafted by a transpartisan coalition organized by the Tenth Amendment Center (TAC) and the Bill of Rights Defense Committee (BORDC) called OffNow Coalition. The Utah Fourth Amendment Protection Act would expressly prohibit state material support, participation, and assistance to any federal agency that collects electronic date or metadata without a search warrant “that particularly desribes the person, place and thing to be searched or seized.”

“Without question, the mass surveillance and data collection by the Utah Data Center is a delicate and important matter,” Roberts said. “But for me, the language of the Fourth Amendment is clear. It simply protects us against unreasonable and unwarranted searches or seizures of our persons, private residencies and property, documents and information and personal and private belongings. This legislation preserves those rights to the people.”

(Excerpt) Read more at benswann.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; bluffdale; killthebeast; nsa; nsadatacenter; statesrights; utah; utahdatacenter; yeswescan
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To: Chickensoup
Utah did not pass a law that the employees cannot leave the center.

No, but without running water you can't flush a toilet.

21 posted on 02/13/2014 10:00:41 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Baynative

"Predictive modeling of meta-data."

We thought about this for a long time, predictive modeling of meta-data, and when we had thought about it long enough, we declared war on the Union.

22 posted on 02/13/2014 10:00:57 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: RightOnTheBorder

I pray Utah has the courage.


23 posted on 02/13/2014 10:01:17 AM PST by Chickensoup (leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Triple

may i be the first, “today” - or “in this thread” :-)


24 posted on 02/13/2014 10:03:11 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Baynative

This is just theatre. I guarantee a state will not shut off water to a fed facility. Won’t happen.


25 posted on 02/13/2014 10:03:17 AM PST by plain talk
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To: Baynative

This will not end well. The Feds will eventually force Utah to provide the water and electricity, and for free.


26 posted on 02/13/2014 10:07:17 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Secret Agent Man
"down with fedgov"

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27 posted on 02/13/2014 10:08:59 AM PST by Manic_Episode (GOP = The Whig Party)
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To: Jane Long

And no one stops them.


28 posted on 02/13/2014 10:09:34 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: plain talk

This is just theatre. I guarantee a state will not shut off water to a fed facility. Won’t happen.


29 posted on 02/13/2014 10:13:57 AM PST by Chickensoup (leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: plain talk

Why?

Utah has been so screwed by dems in the past 20 years.


30 posted on 02/13/2014 10:14:34 AM PST by Chickensoup (leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Baynative

Mike Lee can drive the bulldozer! Lets just hope Hatch is inside when its demolished.


31 posted on 02/13/2014 10:19:51 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: Chickensoup

A commercial Data Center probably has 72 hours of diesel on site, being the NSA they probably store several weeks or more.

However, a data center of this size uses chilled water, and lots of it, to cool the servers and related equipment. They need a constant supply to keep operating. Killing the water will shut down the cooling and the DC.


32 posted on 02/13/2014 10:26:32 AM PST by matt04
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To: Chickensoup

The water is used to cool the servers. They can maybe last a week on backup cooling systems.


33 posted on 02/13/2014 10:28:20 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: tacticalogic

They need water, and lots of it, to keep the cooling operations running.


34 posted on 02/13/2014 10:28:53 AM PST by matt04
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To: Baynative

Or perhaps just build a dam downstream from where it is...


35 posted on 02/13/2014 10:33:26 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: matt04
They need water, and lots of it, to keep the cooling operations running.

We've got a pretty good-sized data center at work, and it's a closed-loop system. I could see them needing lots of water if they're using an evaporative cooling system, but I don't think they'd risk having the systems taken down by a broken water main.

36 posted on 02/13/2014 10:36:44 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

I go into a lot of data centers. Most large ones will use cold water sources with some kind of backup system. The backup is usually only rated for a short time and does not have the capacity to replace the chilled water.


37 posted on 02/13/2014 10:39:58 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Baynative

Nice try, but this is blatantly unconstitutional.


38 posted on 02/13/2014 10:42:31 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: driftdiver
I go into a lot of data centers. Most large ones will use cold water sources with some kind of backup system. The backup is usually only rated for a short time and does not have the capacity to replace the chilled water.

Understood, but are those closed-loop recirculating systems, or open systems with a lot of evaporative loss?

39 posted on 02/13/2014 10:44:33 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Jane Long; ilovesarah2012
Only Commies ignore and denigrate our Constitution.

I'm sympathetic to this proposal, but just a head's up that UTAH would violate the Constitution if it tried to do this. One of the most important cases in US history -- McCulloch v. Maryland concerned an effort by Maryland do to something very similar in order to kick out a federal agency they didn't want. Chief Justice John Marshall and the Supreme Court said that no, that states can't do that, way back in 1819. It's a nice try but the issue has been tried and settled.

40 posted on 02/13/2014 10:49:57 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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