Posted on 02/06/2014 8:33:34 AM PST by PapaNew
Creationist Ken Ham is having his 15 minutes, following a live debate on evolution held between himself and Bill Nye “The Science Guy” on Tuesday.
And while you’d expect most folks to deem Nye the winner (which they have), Ham is receiving criticism from a source you might not expect: televangelist Pat Robertson.
On the Wednesday edition of his TV show, “The 700 Club,” Robertson indirectly implored Ham to put a sock in it, criticizing Ham’s view that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.
“Let’s face it, there was a bishop [James Ussher] … who added up the dates listed in Genesis and he came up with the world had been around for 6,000 years,” Robertson began. “There ain’t no way that’s possible … To say that it all came about in 6,000 years is just nonsense and I think it’s time we come off of that stuff and say this isn’t possible.”
“We’ve got to be realistic that the dating of Bishop Ussher just doesn’t comport with anything that’s found in science,” Robertson continued, “and you can’t just totally deny the geological formations that are out there.”
“Let’s be real,” Robertson begged, “let’s not make a joke of ourselves.”
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Ken Ham works for free and selflessly donates all his time.
Now that’s funny.
The "age of rocks" discussion is really a red herring because the issue is not the age of the earth but the origin of living things.
However, for the subject of the age of the earth, check out "The Gap Theory" if you haven't already. I believe it to be the best biblical explanation for the earth being as old as science discovers. All true science can do is uncover what's been in the Bible all along.
Neither Nye nor Ham represent me or the rest of society. Watching their debate would be no better than watching two drunks in a bar having the same debate.
” The best current measurement of star distances can find stars out to about 1600 light years distance.”
Um, where did you get that? Hubble has been looking at stars way past 1600 light years out.
As you say, there are a few here...............
:-)
“It would be just like a scientist conducting an experiment in a lab and not actually being there to observe the process or results!”
Scientific observation is not required for scientific conclusion. For instance, where you there when the Bible was written? Then how do you know God gave it to us?
I’m talking about measuring stellar distances with parallax.
I don’t think you know what that word means. We’ve been measuring distances using such techniques for decades.
The Hipparcos satellite launched in 1989 was able to measure parallax angles for stars up to 1600 light years distance.
The ESA Gaia mission is expected to be able to measure parallax angles of about 10 microarcseconds. This will allow distances of 10 of thousands of light years to me measured with this technique.
Since the mission is only 6 weeks old and since we need to wait 6 months for the earth to swing around the sun to get the second measurement, we need to wait a bit before hearing there results.
a recent, arbitrary attempt to muddy the waters.
“It seems to me that what makes a being “human” is not so much his body, but his mind (and perhaps his soul). You can’t make that determination through fossil remains.”
Are you suggesting that there were human like creatures around before God created Adam, only without souls?
“And new water is formed every time something carbon-based burns... Is it the same age as the oldest water?”
That’s why I said “most” water and I also said “most” elements.
And I frankly don’t care how old rock are...
Our knowledge about what is around us, even in our own back yards, is very superficial. We think we know a lot, but when you start peeling back the onion (so to speak) we understand very little.
Yet we think we are going to understand creation? (I’m not using that word in a biblical way, only to denote the beginning)
That is an interesting observation of a natural phenomenon.
Here is another interesting explanation. It runs for several pages... In the Beginning... (the Grand Canyon)...
I will ask you the very same question that Mr. Ham asked Mr. Nye in that debate where Mr. Nye got slaughtered.
“Where you there 6000 years ago?”
“If you were not there, how do you know?”
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Quite the epistemology you espouse, Olivia, one cannot know what one has not themselves observed.
Wow. How do you get through the day like that?
What you are now saying is that Ken Ham’s display at the Creation Museum is entirely fictional, as he was not there to observe that domesticated dinosaurs lived with humans.
You cannot have it both ways, Olivia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaSTPlW70Io
“Are you suggesting that there were human like creatures around before God created Adam, only without souls?”
Well I have no idea... But I’ll stand by my statement about identifying something as human through fossil remains.
Definitely some pejorative content in my remark, but to call it “slander” is a bit hyperbolic, not unlike looking at rocks and arbitrarily assigning a billion-year-old age to them.
That is the priority because, it is the first step toward the realization that we need a savior.
If God was to have given Moses ALL the scientific details about his creation, He would still be writing today.
So what if an atheist says, “if the details are not all there in the bible and since WE don't really know how long a day in the life of God IS than none of the Bible can be true.”
I say a day in creation is Gods day, just as there will be another Gods day tomorrow. (future judgment)
Besides, our God probably could make everything in an afternoon if he had wished to do so. Yes, I do believe that he is that powerful.
The atheist thinks I have proven myself an idiot and I don't care.
When they reject, we move on that is what Jesus said to do.
Unless you want to stay and point to holes in his theory, which is pointless because he does not believe in anything.
It's a one person at a time affair, and I would say that the debate that took place is positive in the one aspect of it being a witnessing opportunity.
Pat Robertson often falls into this trap of witnessing poorly, because he has his own ambition in the way.
Pat Robertson is a goon!
Everything about him is fake.
The creation really was 6013 years ago, and it was definitely no “re-creation.”
Intelligent Design is an empty cop-out for those that want to straddle a non-existent fence.
Let the evo-loonies keep on wishing for some evidence, none of which they have or will ever produce.
If there were a shred of evidence you can be sure that it would be plastered on every billboard in the world.
The Grand Canyon is perfect evidence for the Biblical account, since there is no way that such a broad cut could have been made unless a large volume of water were released while all the layers were still wet. The dry cut that proves this is at the very bottom of the canyon, and is very shallow and narrow.
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