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Legislators learn how silencers affect guns
The Columbus Dispatch ^ | 02/04/2014 | Jim Siegel

Posted on 02/04/2014 4:42:07 PM PST by aimhigh

Eesley, a salesman at Black Wing Shooting Center in Delaware, said he sells plenty of silencers, but he often has to first educate people about the reality. A silenced gun still makes quite a bang.

More than 20 lawmakers or their aides gathered yesterday at Black Wing to learn a similar lesson and hear from an expert on how silencers, or suppressors, can affect the noise levels of hunting rifles. The event was organized by the Buckeye Firearms Association in an effort to gain support for House Bill 234, which would allow hunting with a suppressor. . . . . .

Supporters of the bill argue that allowing use of a suppressor would help protect hunters from hearing damage; make it easier for hunters, particularly children, to hear commands from others; and make hunting less of a nuisance for those living nearby.

(Excerpt) Read more at dispatch.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: Ohio; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: banglist; silencer; suppressor
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To: gaijin

we used to use them here for the same reasons most europeans use them. out of politeness and to save our hearing.


21 posted on 02/04/2014 5:15:49 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: RC one

I don’t think the promise to sign off in return for campaign contributions would fly to well. You can promise anything, but you can’t “sell” that commitment IIRC...


22 posted on 02/04/2014 5:15:53 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: SaxuminMD

They are proposing a bill to allow them for hunting.


23 posted on 02/04/2014 5:16:21 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: fhayek

The Russians made a revolver which did work well with a suppressor because the cylinder locked up against the barrel on trigger pull.


24 posted on 02/04/2014 5:22:39 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: SaxuminMD
I thought silencers were illegal in Delaware.

Delaware is a blue state they have silencers to spare.

25 posted on 02/04/2014 5:24:19 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: MHGinTN
Sounds just like something the Russians would do.
26 posted on 02/04/2014 5:26:54 PM PST by fhayek
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To: aimhigh
Silencers (suppressors) do NOT make a firearm ‘silent’. A supersonic bullet cannot be silent due to its supersonic shock wave (also called a ‘ballistic crack’). Sound can be reduced by the use of subsonic ammunition, but range will be significantly decreased.

A suppressor will: 1) completely hide muzzle flash at night, but 2) will not silence the sound of the self-loader’s normal operating cycle that is obscured by the muzzle blast of a conventional gun. [A bolt action will not be as noisy as a self-loader.]

The suppressor will drop the sound of the firearm so that the sniper becomes very difficult to detect. The muffled shot defies location by those being fired upon and that is the chief advantage of the suppressor — confusing the enemy about the location of a shooter.

27 posted on 02/04/2014 5:35:16 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: cripplecreek

I have two suppressors, licensed and everything. One is for .22 or .223 and the other is for .45 (but will also work for anything smaller, like .40 or even 9mm.).

Here’s the deal: you can’t silence a supersonic bullet. But when you suppress it, it becomes very difficult to determine which direction it came from.

A .22LR is subsonic from any barrel less than about 14 inches or so in length. The less powder, the less the bang and the more it can be suppressed. A regular .22LR still makes a pronounced BANG even with a suppressor, but it is quiet enough to shoot in an indoor range without hearing protection. Same with the .45. But it isn’t quiet. It’s still loud but it isn’t loud enough to cause hearing damage.

If you really want to quiet a cartridge down, it takes really soft loads that skirt just below the sound barrier, and use just enough powder to get them there.

One of the important effects of a suppressor is that it changes the nature of the gunshot sound such that it is just a softened noise that doesn’t sound so much like a gunshot anymore. It’s still a thump. But not a gunshot sound.


28 posted on 02/04/2014 5:35:21 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: fhayek
here's A YOUTUBE OF IT IN ACTION. pRETTY SLICK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvF4yurWSc0

29 posted on 02/04/2014 5:38:03 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: aimhigh

The only downer of the story is how our legislators, the very people we entrust to enact laws that affect our very lives, are people of such low intellectual curiosity and real world experience outside their cushy desk jobs that they have to learn about suppressors like third graders on a field trip.


30 posted on 02/04/2014 5:44:55 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: MHGinTN

I saw a video by Hickock45 shooting one of those revolvers it was impressive against a regular revolver!


31 posted on 02/04/2014 6:01:41 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 ((VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!))
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To: fhayek
I've been reading some Robert Ludlum lately. He was woefully ignorant of firearms, writing things about .357 automatics (the story was written before there was such a thing as a Desert Eagle), easing the safety off a revolver, and I believe even writing something like you said about a "silenced revolver".

Apparently he did no research about guns at all, despite how prominently they figured in his stories.

32 posted on 02/04/2014 6:16:56 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: Hardastarboard

The safety on my Webley revolver is noisy, so easing it off would be impossible.


33 posted on 02/04/2014 6:18:23 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: RC one

Good idea.

...Wanna make a real big splash? I mean more money and publicity than you’d know what to do with? Do the same with approval letters under 922(o).


34 posted on 02/04/2014 6:28:30 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Lurker
"The onerous restrictions on suppressors created a serious public health issue."

You don't have to tell me about it! I'm a septuagnerian with significant hearing loss and continuous LOUD tinnitus -- from shooting un-suppressed handguns when I was in my early twenties.

35 posted on 02/04/2014 6:30:41 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: ctdonath2

Basically guarantee non-enforcement of any law relating to the home manufacture of machine guns or machine gun parts IOW?


36 posted on 02/04/2014 6:38:58 PM PST by RC one
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To: aimhigh
Completely ignorant comments from putative Fudds after the article. They could just be anti's pretending to be Fudds, but what's the difference.

No matter what, Fudds or antis: WE LOSE.

37 posted on 02/04/2014 6:40:14 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Hardastarboard
I stop reading books, and stop watching movies, when stupid gun stuff pops up.

Like the TV show "Chuck", which had so much promise because of the awesome Adam Baldwin, shows a cartoon EVERY SHOW during the intro of an ENTIRE CARTRIDGE (rim, bullet, and all) coming out of the end of a revolver.

Most TV shows have stupid gun stuff. Like the stupid "hammer cocking" sounds they play when the actor points a GLOCK at the bad guy!

Like the stupid "rack" sound they play when a SEMI-AUTOMATIC (not pump) shotgun is pointed by an actor at a bad guy!

Grates on my nerves.

38 posted on 02/04/2014 6:45:05 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: MHGinTN

Called a gas seal revolver. My Mosin Nagant is one. Trigger pull on double action is like 10 or 15 lbs because it has to pull the cylinder away from the forcing cone to rotate.


39 posted on 02/04/2014 6:45:42 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: RC one

Better.

Form 4 approvals. ‘86 cutoff doesn’t apply.

There is reason to believe this is happening in secret for the well-connected. Time to bring it to all law-abiding citizens.


40 posted on 02/04/2014 6:51:58 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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