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Homophobia and intimacy in a Russian sauna (I like Russia more and more)
BBC Urals, Russia ^ | 1/17/2013 | By Justin Rowlatt

Posted on 01/18/2014 2:03:25 PM PST by RoosterRedux

A law in Russia banning "homosexual propaganda" has been condemned by critics, who say it incites hatred. But a day hunting and relaxing in the forest - and hearing some extreme views - suggests it has plenty of support.

Saunas are supposed to be relaxing but the prospect of this one filled me with dread.

I was to share it with two heavily armed Russian hunters - Yuri, a steely-eyed veteran of Russia's bloody war in Afghanistan, and Georgy, a burly businessmen who cut his teeth during the violent chaos that consumed Russia after the fall of communism.

That afternoon, with the first snows of the harsh Russian winter blowing in from Siberia, Yuri and Georgy had taken me into the forest. They'd pointed out fresh wolf and elk tracks in the snow - but there was no sign of the family of bears I'd heard lived nearby.

Yuri said our chatter had frightened off any game but he let me fire a few potshots with his formidable but fluffily-named hunting rifle, a Kalashnikov "Tigger".

As the sun set we'd dined on a great caldron of peppery soup made with pike caught in one of the nearby lakes. They'd produced a slab of what Russians call "salo", smoked pork fat which you eat raw, washed down with shots of vodka.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: bathhousesex; bbcbias; communism; gayolympics; homosexualagenda; hunters; justinrowlatt; lavendermafia; pinkjournalism; publicsex; russia; russian; sex; siberia
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To: RoosterRedux

This validation of a queer lifestyle, first reared its ugly head in Western Europe. But then it has grabbed hold here. I do not think fags should fear being beaten or killed but they need to go back in their respective closets. Their lifestyle is unnatural. And as such it should not be flaunted nor allowed to be treated as normal in the media.


21 posted on 01/18/2014 2:40:17 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Interesting. The author does not understand that because of the anti-homosexual stance of the culture, men are free to be intimate in other, friendship sorts of ways that have often been parts of being male in many western cultures.


22 posted on 01/18/2014 2:45:09 PM PST by Chickensoup (V)
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To: thecodont

Even a purely secular writer such as Rebecca West said that sexualizing everything destroyed friendships.


23 posted on 01/18/2014 2:51:44 PM PST by livius
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To: Rome2000

You mean she might scream for the police and slap you? Normally saunas are single-sex.


24 posted on 01/18/2014 2:53:15 PM PST by livius
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

Yes, I thought that was kind of weird. I don’t quite understand why he had to inject that issue into what sounds like a pleasant evening (in its own way).


25 posted on 01/18/2014 2:55:14 PM PST by livius
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To: thecodont

“Didn’t C.S. Lewis write that also? I think I read that somewhere.”

yes:

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/c.s.-lewis-and-the-homosexualists-eradication-of-friendship


26 posted on 01/18/2014 2:56:05 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: RoosterRedux

Could be. Most psychotherapists are trying to cure their own ailments, especially after the level of subjectivity that Freud introduced into the theory.


27 posted on 01/18/2014 2:56:52 PM PST by livius
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To: GeronL

Yeah, I did, but that was just too good an opportunity to pass up.


28 posted on 01/18/2014 2:57:50 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: livius

Totally right; even as a kid I began to realize that playing tag ‘sent wrong signals’ for some reason.


29 posted on 01/18/2014 2:57:50 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: livius

Yes it has.


30 posted on 01/18/2014 2:58:34 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Olog-hai

Germans know better than anyone. Russians will screw anything. They raped children, old women, whatever.


31 posted on 01/18/2014 3:00:37 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Chickensoup

Exactly. If people know that their friendship is not going to get mixed up in sex, they’re free to be friends. A sexual relationship is complicated, but friendship is not. This sexualization of everything has deprived us of friendship.


32 posted on 01/18/2014 3:00:43 PM PST by livius
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To: livius

No it would have to be her twig and her idea
I’m pretty mellow


33 posted on 01/18/2014 3:00:55 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: CorporateStepsister

It’s interesting that you said that. They’re trying to move the age ever lower for the sexualization of activities.


34 posted on 01/18/2014 3:02:14 PM PST by livius
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To: livius

Yeah; I mean, tag is suddenly ‘sending wrong signals?’


35 posted on 01/18/2014 3:03:04 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: CorporateStepsister

It’s very creepy.


36 posted on 01/18/2014 3:04:44 PM PST by livius
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To: Chickensoup; RoosterRedux
Interesting. The author does not understand that because of the anti-homosexual stance of the culture, men are free to be intimate in other, friendship sorts of ways that have often been parts of being male in many western cultures.

And the men who lack such intimacy are much poorer for it.

37 posted on 01/18/2014 3:06:18 PM PST by thecodont
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To: livius

” I remember only a few decades ago in Spain that friends (two men, two women, etc.) used to walk around holding hands. Then suddenly this was interpreted as sexual. And now nobody would dare to do it.”

It’s horrible; you can’t even show open affection for a sincere friend lest you be viewed as gay.

“The American obsession with sex has destroyed all innocent pleasures.”

I’m tired of it myself. I wonder how different things would be if in fact we ended up changing things so those who get worked up over the slightest stuff would be the ones locked up and forced to work out their issues instead of poisoning the thoughts of healthy minds around them.


38 posted on 01/18/2014 3:06:52 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: livius

Yes it has.


39 posted on 01/18/2014 3:08:07 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: livius

Totally; I don’t think this country is disliked because of our freedom, but our borderline psychotic sexualization of EVERYTHING!


40 posted on 01/18/2014 3:10:10 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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