Posted on 01/10/2014 1:52:43 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty
A month after a small plane crash in Hawaii, a surviving passenger shows GoPro footage and even a selfie taken during the ordeal.
Would you have done the same? Ferdinand Puentes was one of nine passengers in a 2002 Cessna Grand Caravan which suddenly suffered engine failure off Kalaupapa, Molokai in Hawaii last month. As he heard the engine fail and saw the plane heading for the water, one of his first instincts was to turn on his GoPro camera and film what might have been his own demise. As KHON-TV reports, Puentes knew the danger he was in, yet the decision to film as much as possible might perplex a few. He managed to get out of the plane alive and survived the crash. However, while he was floating on a seat cushion and wearing his life raft, he took a selfie.
Was the impulse to record just a natural reaction? After all, any bystander or news organization would have likely done the same thing. And these days everyone is using their phones to film just about everything they see. But wouldn't one's first instinct be to try to contact family and friends to say goodbye? Perhaps that did happen. The footage reflects a quite stunning lack of panic. The passengers behave in an orderly manner. There is no screaming or pushing. No one seems frantic at all. Loretta Fuddy, Hawaii's 65-year-old state director of health, died in the crash, despite managing to leave the plane. In watching Puentes talk to KHON-TV, though, it's evident that the footage brings back painful memories. Would everyone want to have such ready access to a reminder? Or would some prefer to forget? "You could have died," Puentes told KHON-TV. "There's so much variations that could have happened for the worse."
I think that's how urban legends start, the way I remember it was someone SUGGESTED that's what the pilot SHOULD have done. There's one still from the video that shows how shortly after the aircraft went down, they were all floating individually all over the place...I think you can count six if you look.
He said he was shocked to hear that she died. Better include a link to show what he said. The last time he saw her she may have been alive, depends how long he stuck around before he swam off. Time is of the essence imo. Iirc he saw her get out of the aircraft and assumed she was fine. We are getting close to having everyone on that aircraft complicit in a homicidal plot, I don't think that's possible, nor wise. That they may have all been intended victims is something else entirely...but how many times has a belly-landing in a Cessna in moderately choppy water caused multiple fatalities?
If Fuddy didn’t die as determined, we can only hope evidence emerges to that effect. Otoh, it’s a mistake to imagine that Hollywood’s version of panic is the only one there is. I.e.: ppl hysterically screaming they don’t want to die. A quiet panic can be just as hard on the heart, and is probably far more common.
Take Flt 1549 which ditched in the Hudson. Based on the number of passengers screaming hysterically [0] everyone on it was “calm” as the plane neared the water. Except that interviews reveal otherwise. Most thought they were about to die. They truly believed they were living out their last few seconds of life on this planet.
Now I don’t care who you are, that level of stress puts a strain on the heart. How can we know Fuddy didn’t assume the worst? We don’t know what thoughts were going through her mind, or how tense she may have gotten seconds before the plane connected w the ocean.
From what I have read, death from this type of arrhythmia usually occurs w’in a half an hr of the “acute triggering event”, and almost always w’in one hr. The fact that she regained her calm after a safe landing wd not impact that scenario. The damage wd have been done in the moments leading up to the crash, and the only thing that wd have helped her subsequently wd be immediate medical care.
Does anyone, apart from God, know exactly how & why she died? Only if, as some have speculated, it was outright murder. Barring that it’s just not definite. I believe she cd have died of untreated arrhythmia. I.e.: it’s possible. It is not knowable, however, as a fact. But I wd not want to be an obese, sedentary 65 yo facing a forced water landing. If the attendant stress put my heart into fatal arrhythmia, it wd not be a statistical improbability.
Note: when I referred to ‘interviews’ from the passengers on flt 1549. I should have said, ‘post-crash interviews’. Perhaps the context makes that obvious. Many passengers were interviewed following the event, and most said they assumed death was imminent. (& this despite appearing ‘calm’ as the plane neared the water. Iow, ‘calm’ cannot be determined by lack of hysterical screaming. It wd best be determined by monitoring heartbeat and other stress indicators.)
“Myocardial ischemia would show up in the blood tests—heart enzymes. “Often only transient.” Exactly. Who hasn’t had a transient heart disturbance upon getting an emotional shock?’
They openly admit that diagnosis of death from this type of arrhythmia is a process of exclusion. I.e.: after eliminating other causes, they settle on this one as most likely under the circumstances. If they cd count on finding certain enzymes in the bloodstream, it wd be a more definite and positive conclusion. It is the absence of other indicators that leads to this diagnosis. As such it strikes me, a nonmedical person, as imprecise. A catch-all, perhaps. And again, we don’t know if this is the actual culprit. I only note that drs don’t claim this conclusion depends on the presence of enzymes. In fact, I never saw, in any of the numerous articles I read on the subject, the presence of certain enzymes cited as critical indicators of death from this type of arrhythmia.
I've been sitting here thinking about what you wrote, I think the answer is obvious, something appears to have been NOT done right, but just because the rescuer may not have followed 'protocols' (I hate that word, it reminds me too much of the Nazi's whose endless instruction manuals assisted in the rounding up and the death of millions) doesn't mean she was deliberately allowed to die. Does it?
Whatcha gunna do? Charge the man with manslaughter/gross negligence or what? I honestly can't see that happening, there will always be occasions when people use their own judgement during a moment when time is of the essence, and bugger the manual. That's all just imo of course, and opinions is all we've got.
btw, did you see that small flash of purple on the left and right of the composite? That's the from the garment she was wearing that very same day. I think it's almost conclusive that the 'missing woman' was Fuddy herself.
I understand where you’re coming from.
I think Ornot did what he was told to do, and he believed it was for a good reason. He was not trying to kill anybody, and saying he had obeyed protocols when he hadn’t was part of what he had to do. I believe his conscience was clear.
The people who told him to do it have some answering to do though.
There’s no way that hair is Fuddy’s, IMHO.
There’ll be some soul searching and finger-pointing going on for a very long time over this, I imagine. Not least of all Yamamoto, who let her drift away after she let go of his hand, as he described. That’s going to haunt him...and as an honourable man, I would suggest he’s not going to be taking over the position her death left vacant.
Also, if that’s Fuddy then why were we told she had drifted to about a mile from shore?
No matter how you slice it the stories don’t add up. We’re being conned.
Everybody is so averse to “conspiracy theories”, but even without this lady by the shore (who doesn’t fit the story or the hair for Fuddy) there are still too many women just in that space of time where Rosa and MW1 are by the wing, because right after that, while Fuddy was still with Yamamoto by the plane, this woman that Puentes helped (MW3) popped up. That’s 4 women at one time, where there were supposed to only be 3. And the NTSB, USCG, Schuman, and Kawsaki all played along with the lie. THAT is what we deserve to be given an answer for: Why are they lying to us?
Butter, in the photo at post #599, does it appear there is an indistinct patch of lavender beneath the life vest?
http://www.imagesaving.com/images/fuddyx3.jpg
sorry, I’m just about totally convinced that’s her, with her back to us while she’s at the door of the aircraft while Yamamoto is still holding her arm or hand, and that’s her again, floating upright, looking very very pale and her hair is still dry, blowing off her face somewhat by the wind. The three-times purple of her clothing that’s somewhat visible on the left and right finally clinched it for me, as did the appearance that she’s still wearing her framelss tinted glasses on the right hand side image.
That composite is the best I can do with the limited images we have, and I’m going to have to leave it there and let the devil sort them out.
Frankly, I’m still far more interested in how it comes about that Fuddy and Alice Dewey were members of that cult Subud which was introduced to the East West Centre and the U of HI by that Reverend Feldman, who was active in religious outreach for the Unitarian Church (which the Dunhams were reported to have been members of) and why, of all people on this planet, the President of Indonesia, SUKARNO was in Hawaii in April 1961, seen shaking hands with Elvis Presley - and just by coincidence, the founder of the SUBUD cult was also an Indonesian.
Alice Dewey STILL spends most of her time in Indonesia, she’s recently been photographed with the Sultan and his wife at the Jakarta Palace, which is where Stanley Ann Dunham and zero were reported to have been living - and that was the address (THE PALACE) a LT SUTORO gave when he accompanied Sukarno on a private visit to the US in 1959.
Add to that the SUBUD Headquarters in Seattle are less than a mile from the famous baby-sitters home in 1961, and you begin to realize maybe that wondering if that’s Fuddy’s hair or not, sort of misses the bigger picture...there’s a cast of hundreds involved in Hawaii, and the East West Centre appears to have been infested with them.
Starts here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3107346/posts?page=90#90
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3107346/posts?page=197#197
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3107346/posts?page=198#198
in case you missed it
The water in that area is purplish, which suggests that there could be purple clothing under the water and it’s being reflected in the sunlight.
There are purplish shades elsewhere in the photo too but it’s more concentrated where she is.
On my blog post, at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2014/01/14/some-images/ I added some notes and a close-up of Fuddy from that morning. It would sure save everybody trouble if I could remember how to post pics here. But I’ll at least C&P the remarks, and people can look on Fred’s image of Fuddy here. I appreciate you posting the pics here, Fred. Makes it a lot easier for people to follow (if anybody but us is following this. lol)
Here are the remarks:
“It’s been suggested that this is Fuddy, because of the purple jacket and shirt she was wearing and the tinges of purple in the water surrounding this person. Below is a close-up of the photo that was taken of Fuddy shortly before she got on the plane to leave Kalaupapa that day. Note how the glasses reach all the way to the side of her face. Note the shortness and curliness of the hair. Note the shape of the bangs. There are tinges of purple in the water other places too, although it is more pronounced around her. This may be someone wearing purple, but I do not believe that can be Fuddy’s hair, face, or glasses. The size and shape of the dark portion is more the size and shape of an eye socket without glasses, and there are no bows showing. Mystery Woman 2, above, looks more like a young Ann Dunham. And no, I’m not suggesting that she’s been resurrected. It’s just the more fine-boned, fair-complexioned, smooth and thin-haired look.”
Her glasses go all the way to the side of her face. In bright sunlight like that, and with the photogray feature, there would be a dark lens all the way over to her ear. It goes more like half that distance.
What I see reminds me of my mom’s eyes. She has deep-set Scandinavian eyes which make a shadow, sort of like MW1’s eyes. The sun is shining down on MW1’s arm, so shining down on her right eye similarly - but the right eye is set deeply enough that the bone structure around her eye makes a shadow. It can be seen pretty clearly on the darkened image of MW1 that I’ve got on my blog.
MW2’s eye looks like a high cheekbone creating a shadow on the eye socket because the sun is coming across her face from the left side. Also, if you look at image 12 on my blog, the 70-ish guy’s right eye is in the sunlight, yet the eye socket makes a shadow because it is deeper-set than the rest of the face. The eyebrow and eye socket together make a darker patch on a person’s face in the sun, with or without the eyelids open.
It probably will end up serving no purpose for us both to play ping pong with our opinions, it won’t identify Fuddy 100% because that’s impossible with the limited material we have at our disposal.
So........I’m prepared to leave it in the too hard basket. It’s going to take a smarter bear than me to make a final call on it. I’m putting my opinion to bed and calling it a draw.
Fair enough, and a good idea. Have some good sleep!
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