Posted on 01/10/2014 1:52:43 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty
A month after a small plane crash in Hawaii, a surviving passenger shows GoPro footage and even a selfie taken during the ordeal.
Would you have done the same? Ferdinand Puentes was one of nine passengers in a 2002 Cessna Grand Caravan which suddenly suffered engine failure off Kalaupapa, Molokai in Hawaii last month. As he heard the engine fail and saw the plane heading for the water, one of his first instincts was to turn on his GoPro camera and film what might have been his own demise. As KHON-TV reports, Puentes knew the danger he was in, yet the decision to film as much as possible might perplex a few. He managed to get out of the plane alive and survived the crash. However, while he was floating on a seat cushion and wearing his life raft, he took a selfie.
Was the impulse to record just a natural reaction? After all, any bystander or news organization would have likely done the same thing. And these days everyone is using their phones to film just about everything they see. But wouldn't one's first instinct be to try to contact family and friends to say goodbye? Perhaps that did happen. The footage reflects a quite stunning lack of panic. The passengers behave in an orderly manner. There is no screaming or pushing. No one seems frantic at all. Loretta Fuddy, Hawaii's 65-year-old state director of health, died in the crash, despite managing to leave the plane. In watching Puentes talk to KHON-TV, though, it's evident that the footage brings back painful memories. Would everyone want to have such ready access to a reminder? Or would some prefer to forget? "You could have died," Puentes told KHON-TV. "There's so much variations that could have happened for the worse."
That wasn’t very clear. I should have said either Kawasaki or his son drove KAWASAKI to the hospital where he stayed 2 nights with a concussion.
Maybe as a professional USCG SAR swimmer with years of training and real-life experience of dealing with people in high stress ocean environments, Ornot’s understanding of his operational protocol’s is better than yours is.
Alternatively, maybe it went down like this....
Fuddy, who had spent the last 5 years defending the official Obama narrative about his birth and who’d shown no signs of changing that stance, is placed on a hit list.
A team is despatched and they decide that sabotaging the engine of the aircraft she’ll be using is the perfect scenario for the hit.
As a backup, in case Fuddy survives the crash, the team insert a ‘mystery’ passenger into the plane who’s job (apart from also trying to survive the crash into the ocean themselves) is to surreptitiously spray a ‘chemical agent’ into Fuddy’s face that will hopefully kill her stone dead or at least give her some heart problems later. They also decide it would be excellent if someone can film the entire event on video from inside the aircraft.
Aghast at the news that not only had neither the plane crash or the face spray killed Fuddy, the crack team start phoning round the various emergency services telling them to take their time getting to the crash site confident that none of the people who get the message (doctors, nurses, pilots, EMT teams, despatchers) would ever mention these strange instructions to the media circus about to descend on them.
Having got that squared off, there’s just one more thing to do. They know that if they can just keep Fuddy floating around for a while longer, she’ll be bound to die. They get in touch with the SAR swimmer whilst he’s en route in the chopper and tell him that no matter what happens, if he sees an overweight and older lady flailing about in the water, the last thing he should is give her any assistance. Finally they give him the ‘protocol override’ code. All SAR swimmers are given this special code for circumstances just like this. He does as he’s told and the big, old lady dies.
End of story. The perfect assassination.
I am no expert, but I can tell you how to size your pic - that is easy.
Inside html for the image, add: width=300 (or whatever number)
You can also add: height= 500 (separated by blanks)
Either way, it ‘automatically’ adjusts the other way to stay in proportion to the original.
‘They say’ pics on FR are best in the range of, as I recall, around 300 to 500 or so.
You can keep doing PREVIEWs to see what it will look like when posted.
The two taken by helicopter to Honolulu were Puentes and a 74-year-old woman, who were picked up by Honolulu EMS in stable condition at 6:30pm.
that's the photographer and one of the tourists, she's shown hanging on to the wing, her arms are bare. She was sitting on the right hand side, front row in the aircraft. Funny, she does look a bit like Fuddy but older. Might she have asked her sister along for the ride? A junket? Oh, I'm going to be so sorry I suggested that, I just know it...
THAT'S TWO
The two who refused treatment were Yamamoto and Kawasaki. Makani Kai flew them to the Makani Kai headquarters at the Honolulu airport, from which Yamamoto was driven to his home and either Kawasaki or his son drove him to the hospital where he stayed 2 nights with a concussion.
THAT'S FOUR.
The 3 who were taken to Molokai General Hospital were apparently Jacob and Rosa Key, who flew back to Oahu the next day, and the 70-year-old guy who waved and smiled at Mark Peer.
THAT'S SEVEN
Now we need to know if the 'Molokai Hospital' was the same place as 'that Care Place' on Molokai where Fuddy was taken, where the Reverend made the sign of the cross over her...and where Yamamoto spent time talking to the that same Reverend, who consoled him about her death.
THAT'S HOW MANY NOW? Add Fuddy to the SEVEN and that's EIGHT (I think!)
Other reports say that Fuddy’s body was taken to Molokai General Hospital (or one report said to Maui...) for an autopsy. And other reports also say that the Coast Guard HC-130 flew one patient directly to Queens Hospital in Honolulu. But the NTSB said that the pilot and 2 passengers were seriously injured, and 5 had minor injuries. So who was the person who was flown directly to Queens?
Good question, it seems I have counted 8 and I have one missing. I never was any good at this. Please, will someone else have a go at this? Because But the NTSB said that the pilot and 2 passengers were seriously injured, and 5 had minor injuries.
And that statement only adds up to eight. (Of course it doesn't help that I left my reading glasses behind in a restaurant last night and I'm typing half blind.)
You have no idea what I’m thinking.
Your argument is that Ornot has to be right because he’s in the Coast Guard. Never mind what’s written in black and white as official Coast Guard protocols. Who you gonna believe, Ornot or yout lyin’ eyes?
The ninth one is Holstein, who swam to shore. Nobody did anything with him.
I’m not so sure Mystery Woman #1 is the 74-year-old because I think the mummy is the 74-year-old.
But even if she is, there’s still Mystery Woman #2, who is floating in a life jacket close to shore in the background of one of Puentes’ selfies. That can’t be the 74-year-old woman because the 74-year-old woman was 100 yards away from Fuddy, who was about a mile out, according to PJ Ornot. To be where she was, she had to be a better swimmer than either Holstein or Puentes, and none of the others talked about swimming. Can’t be Fuddy, doesn’t make sense to be Rosa Parks. Who is she?
I’ve perused the Coast Guard manual and I don’t see instructions for the rescue swimmers. What section number specifically provides the protocols which you are claiming that they did not follow?
The full manual is at http://www.uscg.mil/directives/cim/16000-16999/CIM_16130_2F.pdf , and it’s a very large file. Is that the one you’re talking about? I’d have to load it up to see the exact place that it is in that manual, but these protocols are published by themselves at http://www.uscg.mil/health/docs/pdf/sar_cpr_protocols.pdf . These pages are inserted right into that big long manual. If you want me to find where that is I can but it may take me a while; I’ve got some other things I’m working on right now. Let me know.
Sheesh. Did I really say Rosa Parks? lol.
Rosa KEY.
Also, the rescue swimmers manual is at http://www.uscg.mil/directives/cim/3000-3999/CIM_3710_4C.pdf . There’s a section about how to deal with unresponsive victims.
He got missed in my tally. And as there are never more than six people in a photograph, another one is the pilot who was out of the picture, and the photographer...whom you can't see. Add Holister who has swum away, and the only one whose ID is in doubt is the person swimming away from the door...but do keep in mind this looks to be rather early in the sequence, so that swimmer could be Holister.
These two images show six people, the pilot is out of camera range, that's seven, and the photographer makes it 8. If Holstein has already started swimming, that's a total of nine.
Fuddy and Yamamoto are by the door. The person swimming we do not know who it is. Sitting on the wing is Keys, in the water are his wife Rosa, and an unanamed woman. Out of camera range is the pilot in a white shirt (collar only showing and blood on his face) and then there's Puentes, who is filming and not visible in the above image.
Four rows of two on the aircraft and a pilot is how I see it.
See what I mean? That's like the story that always has ten cents left over. That's eight people. Where's number nine? Is the unidentified person swimming Holister or the second unnamed tourist?
Got all that, and you are quite right of course, her medical records should show if she had a heart problem, but I imagine ‘they’ are not going to advertise that ‘they’ gave such an important position to an elderly, obese woman who wasn’t in good health. She wasn’t chosen for the long term, was she? All she had to do was say yes sir, anything you say sir!
At least she was incredibly naive.
We could probably argue a long, long time over which of those is which, but there is a woman who was photographed very close to shore in one of Puentes’ selfies - one when he was closer to shore. That woman isn’t any of these people, if these people are who you think they are. That’s a 10th person. Have you seen the close-up of that woman, posted on my blog?
Chapter 2 - Helicopter Rescue Swimmer Procedure
--D. Survivor Recovery Procedures
----2. Multiple Survivor Procedures
Specifically, Table 2-28 on page 2-53. As plain as day:
"NOTE - When rescuing multiple survivors, the RS must use their best judgment for prioritizing the rescue."
Exactly what Ornot did. He followed established protocol and used his best judgment for prioritizing the rescue. You have exonerated him.
And the person on the bed certainly isn't a 74 year old woman, first time I saw it, I thought that's a young man.
Short of any further news or information on the subject, what we seem to have is eight passengers and one Pilot. Which reminds me, how was Fuddy transported from Molokai to where-ever they took her? Do you have that?
I went and looked up the place you’re talking about, and it’s the place I was talking about before, where it’s talking about if you’ve got a bunch of survivors on a raft. If you throw down the raft or life preservers and somebody isn’t able to get on/in it that would tell you that they need to be the priority for the rescue. The people doing fine, as exhibited by their ability to get on/in a raft or life jacket can wait. And when you get to the people on the raft you obviously have to decide which one goes up first, and then it would make sense to prioritize according to all the information you have.
That is totally different than passing up the most desperate person you’re ever going to find, in order to go searching out whether there’s anybody else who needs you - what? - the same amount? There’s not going to be anybody who needs you more. And once you’ve spent half an hour seeing if everybody else is as bad off as the first person you came upon, then you decide whether you’ll go back to the guy/gal who just died because you were too busy “prioritizing” to actually help anybody.
Like I said before, may this happen to you in your day of need, as you would have it done to others. If this is an acceptable exercise of “discretion” in your estimation then I pity anybody who depends on you for anything.
What Ornot said was that the protocols said he HAD to pass over Fuddy. And that is just not true. Neither the protocols, nor common sense, nor just plain human decency would tell him to pass over a woman that the Coast Guard was REQUIRED to give CPR to, in order to go searching for others who may or may not need him immediately.
It’s sort of like the fire department keeping all their trucks at the station when a massive fire has broken out and people trapped inside a house will certainly die if they aren’t rescued immediately - because there may come in a call where the trucks are needed EVEN MORE, and after all, you have to “prioritize”...
There were 6 planes there. The Coast Guard “rescued” Kawasaki who refused their medical help anyway and drove himself to the hospital after finding his own way to Honolulu, and a man smiling and waving, before they rescued a woman for whom minutes and seconds could have been the difference between life and death. No. Freaking. Way.
Butter, I know how it looks to you, but I think you are making a leap into the dark, Yamamoto said he was holding her hand and she let go...that happened, as we can see, not long after they left the cabin of the aircraft, because you can make them both out at the doorway, and he’s holding her arm or her hand, just like he said.
It took an hour or so for the rescuers to arrive apparently.
So if Yamamoto has anything to regret, it’s because he didn’t keep hold of her for that hour. He said she was unresponsive, maybe he should have said, I think she died. He has left us with the impression he let an unconscious woman drift away with the tide and the wind, and I sincerely doubt that’s what happened.
By the time the rescuers got to her, she could have been deceased for almost an hour. And there’s no way anyone would make a mistake about that, you wouldn’t mistake a dead person for someone who fainted or just passed out, and any attempt at CPR in the water (or even up in the helicopter)on someone obviously deceased is not only impossible but futile.
That’s my 2 cents.
Perish the thought, but it strikes me, the reason that person appears to have such a white face is...because it's Fuddy, and her hair is still dry.
How would you know that someone was deceased? I asked ConstantSkeptic the same question. The protocols list about every piece of diagnostic information there is, and unless a person is beheaded, has heart, lungs, brain, or liver separated from the body, is charred, is stiff as a board, or has blood pooling at the lowest points, there is no way to say that a person cannot be revived. How would you be able to tell a hypothermic unresponsive person from a dead person?
Ultimately it was not the decision for the swimmer to make. That decision has been taken out of his hands by the protocols. If you cannot know that they are dead, you must act as if there’s a chance they can be revived.
I’m not talking about what Yamamoto or anybody else has to regret. I’m talking about what the Coast Guard’s protocols are. Ornot said that the protocols said he had to pass over Fuddy because she was unresponsive. That is absolutely false. The swimmers manual gives instructions for how to handle unresponsive victims; why would they do that if the protocols say to skip them? And the protocols say that fixed dilated pupils, low body temp, absence of breathing, absence of pulse, and unresponsiveness to painful stimulus are NOT indicators of “obvious death”. If those are all the indicators of death that you’ve got, you have to do CPR. So what other indicators did Ornot find, that allowed him to bypass CPR for Fuddy? What other indicators ARE there? What you think is “obviously dead” makes no difference. What Ornot thinks is “obviously dead” makes no difference. If there is no way to know that their heart has stopped irreversibly you have to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Would you begrudge somebody the benefit of the doubt? Would you want protocols to write off people who may have had a pulse just moments ago, or whose pulse is so faint it can’t be detected without the instruments? The protocols are put in place so that tragic mistakes aren’t made.
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