Posted on 01/10/2014 1:52:43 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty
A month after a small plane crash in Hawaii, a surviving passenger shows GoPro footage and even a selfie taken during the ordeal.
Would you have done the same? Ferdinand Puentes was one of nine passengers in a 2002 Cessna Grand Caravan which suddenly suffered engine failure off Kalaupapa, Molokai in Hawaii last month. As he heard the engine fail and saw the plane heading for the water, one of his first instincts was to turn on his GoPro camera and film what might have been his own demise. As KHON-TV reports, Puentes knew the danger he was in, yet the decision to film as much as possible might perplex a few. He managed to get out of the plane alive and survived the crash. However, while he was floating on a seat cushion and wearing his life raft, he took a selfie.
Was the impulse to record just a natural reaction? After all, any bystander or news organization would have likely done the same thing. And these days everyone is using their phones to film just about everything they see. But wouldn't one's first instinct be to try to contact family and friends to say goodbye? Perhaps that did happen. The footage reflects a quite stunning lack of panic. The passengers behave in an orderly manner. There is no screaming or pushing. No one seems frantic at all. Loretta Fuddy, Hawaii's 65-year-old state director of health, died in the crash, despite managing to leave the plane. In watching Puentes talk to KHON-TV, though, it's evident that the footage brings back painful memories. Would everyone want to have such ready access to a reminder? Or would some prefer to forget? "You could have died," Puentes told KHON-TV. "There's so much variations that could have happened for the worse."
PS. The question is, does the image belong in the sequence, is that an image of Puenetes or someone else?
You’re saying USCG SAR swimmer Ornott deliberately ensured Fuddy didn’t receive treatment as part of a plot to murder her?
Butter, I think you have to factor in that arrhythmia can strike suddenly and kill a person within seconds.
There’s no such thing as ‘the middle of cardiac arrest’ there isn’t any time for any middle. The rythm of the heart is disturbed and out of synch, and blood flow to the brain, carrying vital oxygen ceases.
That’s my understanding, I posted something along those lines way back...from a medical source.
Arrhythmias are categorised into two types, being tachycardia and bradycardia.
Tachycardia Tachycardia is when your heart beats too fast, generally more than 100 beats per minute. Some forms of tachycardia are easily treated and not serious, but others can be life threatening. Tachycardia can be a normal response to physical activity, but can also be a sign of a medical problem.
The two main types of tachycardia are supraventricular tachycardia and ventricular tachycardia. Supraventricular tachycardia is a rapid heartbeat that starts in the atria or AV node, and is not usually life threatening. Common types of supraventricular tachycardia are atrial flutter and atrial fibrillation.
Ventricular tachycardia is when the ventricles beat too fast and is very dangerous. If ventricular tachycardia becomes so severe that the ventricles can’t pump effectively, it can lead to ventricular fibrillation. This life-threatening condition occurs when the electrical signal that should trigger your heartbeat splits away in uncontrolled ‘waves’ around the ventricles. It must be corrected immediately.
Is that Puentes? I can’t tell. If it is, then what is that wartlike thing on the side of his eye?
I’m saying PJ Ornot said that passing Fuddy by was in accordance with protocols, and it isn’t.
I have my suspicions about why he did it, and I think he thought his actions were right.
But the public deserves to know why he really did it. It’s not because the protocols say so, because the protocols actually say the opposite. He needs to tell us why he broke the protocols and then claimed publicly that the protocols say something they don’t - all without fear of punishment from the US Coast Guard.
At the same time maybe somebody at the Coast Guard can tell us why it took them an hour to get there, and two hours to pick up 3 people and get 2 people back to Honolulu.
And why they lied about the number of passengers on that plane. There was at least one extra person on that plane - either Mystery Woman #1 (the one holding onto the wing next to Rosa Key) or if that woman was the 74-year-old woman who was taken to Honolulu, then Mystery Woman #2, who was floating in a life jacket close to shore in the background of Puentes’ selfie. No matter how you slice it there was at least one extra woman on that plane, and the USCG, NTSB, Makani Kai owner Richard Schuman, and pilot Clyde Kawasaki all lied to us to hide that woman’s presence. The public deserves to know why they did that.
That, among a bunch of other things, is what I’m saying.
There’s a timeframe within which intervention can save a person’s life even after their heart has stopped.
At this point I don’t really care whether Fuddy could have been saved or not. If things happened the way we were told (and that’s a big if), then the CG swimmer wouldn’t have been able to save her. BUT HE WASN’T SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT. He was supposed to act according to the protocols.
We deserve to know why he didn’t follow the protocols, yet announced to the whole world that he actually had - knowing all the other folks in the Coast Guard would know that he didn’t.
Ventricular fibrillation isn’t something that happens from stress. In most every case, a person is at risk for this if he or she has had a heart attack, has cardiomyopathy, has a congenital heart defect, has suffered an electrical shock, or abuses certain drugs. Her brother said she had no heart problems. Of course, only her physician knows for sure; but one would think the coroner would get her medical records in order to determine a cause of death. Prior cardiograms will tell the tale, if she had any heart problems or was on any medication for a heart condition. This is a diagnosis of “exclusion”, since they cannot do a cardiogram on a non-beating heart. They found no other cause, so settled on this as the explanation, imo. Examination of her body would have shown any preexisting condition that may have put her at risk factor for ventricular fibrillation. VP Cheney has an internal defibrillator for just this kind of situation—to shock his heart should it go into V-fib or V-tach. Of course, his prior heart attacks are what put him at risk.
Orly Taitz would probably tell you that the extra woman was Ms. Randolph. Why does she believe that woman could have been on the plane?
What would help, and I don’t know how to post photos, is for somebody to crop out each individual’s face that we can identify and put them all together, with their names underneath.
What I can’t figure out about posting images here is how to set the size. I don’t want to freak everybody out by posting a pic that’s as big as your screen. Once it’s posted, there’s no editing it, is there?
That’s what butter wants to know, and I have no idea. However, there’s more to his face than a little round thing near the eye, which could be some sort of blister caused by the sun or an enlarged tear-duct caused by salt water.Try looking at his teeth, his eyes and his nose...frankly, I can’t think who else it might be, not after someone posted what he wrote on his facebook page and described how he was taken to hospital. That image was placed last on the slideshow because for him, it was the end of the film...it starts with the alarm that rang after the engine failed, and ends with him on the bed.
I suppose in a practical sense, it all depends if we believe the man was capable of telling if the woman was dead or not. I’m a little anti-protocols, in an emergency quite often common sense works a whole lot better.
I’m also pretty sure he’s been grilled and asked to describe exactly what he found and why he acted the way he did.
Correction. I should have said it took 2 hours to get 3 people back to Honolulu. They took two people back to the Honolulu airport in a helicopter, and one person who is not listed as among the injured by either the USCG or the NTSB was flown in the HC-130 directly to Queens Hospital. That person was hidden by everybody official and got the luxury treatment even though she wasn’t even claimed as having any injuries. Why did they fly this woman directly to Queens Hospital without claiming her as a seriously-injured victim?
If the photo of “the mummy” is either Puentes or the 74-year-old woman at the ER in Honolulu, they were being treated for hypothermia. The protocol for hypothermia says that once active warming is happening (the heavy wrapping), the following is to be done:
“Notify receiving hospital ASAP; include Core Temp and Vital Signs, including pulse oximetry.
Support Respiratory Effort
Transport ASAP”
It took them almost 2 hours from the time they arrived to get those 2 hypothermic patients to the Honolulu airport, when the flight itself would take no more than 30 minutes. These were the only injured people the Coast Guard transported; why did it take them 1 1/2 hours to get these hypothermic patients loaded up to go Honolulu?
Not if you're a bonafide nutjob believer in conspiracies.............
Just imagine the controversy that would have arisen if she had died of a heart attack or traffic accident.
Go figure, I always thought you were related to Michael Rivero...............
butter tried to do some of that on her blog, she provided the link on this thread. Problem is, when most of the individual images are enlarged, they become so distorted, there's no way they can be clearly identified. And even in the case of that fellow Keys, sitting on the wing blowing up the lifevest, there's no agreement that it's him. It all comes down to opinion. The only one we are all sure of the ID of, is the photographer, because he had the camera on an extension stick with a swivel, and could photograph himself from a distance.
I’m not so sure he’s been grilled. Keep in mind that the Coast Guard transported a woman directly to Queens Hospital in their big military-transport plane and yet didn’t include that in their public report. They also claimed 9 people on board when we now know there were at least 10 on board. IOW, they are actively engaged in hiding the existence of this woman and flying her out of public view.
Interesting information. This doesn’t work very well as a cause of death for Fuddy’s situation then, unless she had a previous heart attack or other condition that her brother didn’t know about.
Who is Ms Randolph? Is that the gal who says she forged Obama’s BC and did a bunch of other major crimes?
Somebody on my blog noted that Mystery Woman #1 looks a lot like Janet Napolitano. I had said that to a friend a day or two ago also, and actually put a photo of Napolitano’s face next to MW#1’s. There are a lot of similarities but there are also some differences.
But people here mistook her for Fuddy, and I can’t help but wonder if that wasn’t the purpose of her being there. Same build, same hair color and approximate length...
There being 10 people on board would be no big deal. The COVER-UP is always the big deal. Why would they cover up her existence and fly her directly to Queens Hospital?
I’m fast losing track of who went where and in what fashion, but this article maintains that some were taken to a general hospital on Molokai:
http://themolokainews.com/2013/12/11/one-dead-in-makani-kai-air-crash-off-kalaupapa/
“...Eight people were found in the water with life vests on about a half mile northwest of Kalaupapa, according to Lee Mainaga of the MFD. The ninth person swam to shore.
Three of the crash victims were taken to Oahu, two declined treatment and are staying in Kalaupapa and three were airlifted by helicopter to topside where they were taken to Molokai General Hospital...
I don’t know much about what types of “acute triggering events” lead to fatal arrhythmias. Stress does appear to be one such trigger, however:
“Episodes of acute emotional stress can have significant adverse effects on the heart. Acute emotional stress can produce left ventricular contractile dysfunction, myocardial ischemia, or disturbances of cardiac rhythm. Although these abnormalities are often only transient, their consequences can be gravely damaging and sometimes fatal. Despite the many descriptions of catastrophic cardiovascular events in the setting of acute emotional stress, the anatomical substrate and physiological pathways by which emotional stress triggers cardiovascular events are only now being characterized, aided by the advent of functional neuroimaging. Recent evidence indicates that asymmetric brain activity is particularly important in making the heart more susceptible to ventricular arrhythmias. Lateralization of cerebral activity during emotional stress may stimulate the heart asymmetrically and produce areas of inhomogeneous repolarization that create electrical instability and facilitate the development of cardiac arrhythmias.”
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=207958
The two taken by helicopter to Honolulu were Puentes and a 74-year-old woman, who were picked up by Honolulu EMS in stable condition at 6:30pm.
The two who refused treatment were Yamamoto and Kawasaki. Makani Kai flew them to the Makani Kai headquarters at the Honolulu airport, from which Yamamoto was driven to his home and either Kawasaki or his son drove him to the hospital where he stayed 2 nights with a concussion.
The 3 who were taken to Molokai General Hospital were apparently Jacob and Rosa Key, who flew back to Oahu the next day, and the 70-year-old guy who waved and smiled at Mark Peer.
Other reports say that Fuddy’s body was taken to Molokai General Hospital (or one report said to Maui...) for an autopsy. And other reports also say that the Coast Guard HC-130 flew one patient directly to Queens Hospital in Honolulu. But the NTSB said that the pilot and 2 passengers were seriously injured, and 5 had minor injuries.
So who was the person who was flown directly to Queens?
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