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On Dying After your Time
New York Times Sunday Review (The Opinion Pages) ^ | 11/30/13 | Daniel Callahan

Posted on 12/02/2013 1:16:26 PM PST by Haiku Guy

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To: Army Air Corps

they will eventually


41 posted on 12/02/2013 3:03:12 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Marcella
That's Our Marcella:


42 posted on 12/02/2013 3:04:46 PM PST by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)
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To: Haiku Guy

“radical life extension”??

What is “radical”? and WHO decides?

My Great Aunt lived to 102 and was sharp until the end, without ever having any serious medical conditions.

She read meaningful literature every day, and carried on in depth conversations.

What does the author think about her living well past his arbitrary expiration age of 80?

I beat cancer at 53. Was that “radical”.
I beat MRSA a few months later. Was that “radical”?
I survived losing 3 liters of blood, from a botched simple procedure. Was that “radical”?

This clown is trying to place a price on life, and pretending there will be some “ethical” way to define “radical”.

As I wrote in a term paper 40 years ago, “dignity”, “ethical”, “radical”, “extreme”, are simply terms used to distance liberals from their “master race” mentality.


43 posted on 12/02/2013 3:17:06 PM PST by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: Old Sarge

I didn’t know you took that picture of me. I’m running for Miss America when I’m 90.


44 posted on 12/02/2013 3:22:44 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: JRandomFreeper

myself


45 posted on 12/02/2013 3:28:20 PM PST by DooDahhhh
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To: Haiku Guy

We give transplants from dead people and aeortic valves from pigs to people who would otherwise die.

What was the question again?


46 posted on 12/02/2013 4:04:40 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: what's up
And exactly what are the potential social benefits? Is there any evidence that more old people will make special contributions now lacking with an average life expectancy close to 80?

Well, I'm 82, and I've just published a couple of books that people seem to be buying. Moreover, my grandchildren enjoy my company. I think those things are worthwhile.

47 posted on 12/02/2013 4:26:32 PM PST by JoeFromSidney ( book, RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY, available from Amazon.)
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To: Marcella
My Mother In Law was still planting a garden into her early 90s and teaching her great grandchildren, and doing volunteer work with the church, and taking care of an invalid husband who would have had to go to a nursing home if not for her.

BIG BS is right. Averages don't tell the story. Each individual is different, and it is an abomination for some pin headed unelected bureaucrat to think that they should have the power to dictate end of life decisions. They ain't God and they ain't family!

And that same lib, will tell you that granny can't be on life support, is the same one that will tell you that you shouldn't have the death penalty for murders. What irony.

I am beyond disgusted with all the Washington DC chattering negative nabobs. I hope they all choke on a chicken bone and suffer laryngitis the rest of their days.

It should be called The Obomination Death Care Panels for sure. Just doing the job that your family should be doing, if we were really a free nation under God.

48 posted on 12/02/2013 6:54:31 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Kip Russell

Back where I come from, what you call “aging”, we call “living”.

Show me the person who lives without aging...


49 posted on 12/02/2013 7:17:17 PM PST by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: Haiku Guy

Even if we cracked ageing, so that noone need grow old, there’s still war, famine and pestilence.


50 posted on 12/02/2013 7:59:00 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means.")
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To: Haiku Guy
Show me the person who lives without aging...

I wish very much that I could, and the person in question was me. I'm reminded of the cliched scene in a war movie wherein the grizzled sergeant says (right before the big assault), "C'mon...you guys want to live forever?"

Just once, I want some to say, "Well, actually...yes!"

51 posted on 12/02/2013 8:01:45 PM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Haiku Guy

Little did he know...



52 posted on 12/03/2013 1:50:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: luvbach1
We would call it the Obamanationcare Death Panel, of course!

Euphemistically: the End-of-Life counseling panel.



53 posted on 12/03/2013 1:53:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Or maybe you’re just an arrogant over-educated prick who should see his kids fed into a plastic shredder before making pronouncements for the rest of us.

We already do this to about 25% of all viable pregnancies!


We 'Choice' to death about 3,300 every day in this country.

(Did I mention we are doomed?)

54 posted on 12/03/2013 1:58:37 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
We 'Choice' to death about 3,300 every day in this country.

If we can do this LEGALLY on the front end of life; then there will be NO way in Hell of STOPPING doing it on the back end!

55 posted on 12/03/2013 1:59:59 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kip Russell
Just once, I want some to say, "Well, actually...yes!"

Almost 2K years ago, a fella came along and told folks that they WOULD live forever.

Many believe Him still.

56 posted on 12/03/2013 2:03:08 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Haiku Guy
how do we decide who is to die, and when?

It's a personal choice. I, or my family, should decide.

57 posted on 12/03/2013 3:43:43 AM PST by beachn4fun (Guns are not the problem. People are. Forget the magazine...check your attitude.)
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To: Elsie
Almost 2K years ago, a fella came along and told folks that they WOULD live forever. Many believe Him still.

Christianity (and Abrahamic religions in general, for that matter) is a very powerful meme, one which has and continues to spread throughout history. I sometimes speculate on what it must be like to believe in such things; I suppose it's very comforting, but I've never been one to have faith in, well...anything.

58 posted on 12/03/2013 6:31:52 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell
... I've never been one to have faith in, well...anything.

Sure you have!

The chair you are sitting in won't collapse...

The car starts in the morning..

The sun will come up tomorrow...

Your heart will continue to beat until nightfall...

There are THOUSANDS of things you have faith in; mainly because they've never let you down.

I'll bet you even have faith that when you die that'll be it.

59 posted on 12/03/2013 12:16:30 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Sure you have!

The chair you are sitting in won't collapse...

I have no faith that such an event will not concur, but the likelihood that it will collapse while I am sitting in it is sufficiently low as to not warrant preventative action.

The car starts in the morning..

I have no faith that such an event will not concur. It has happened in the past will almost certainly happen in the future.

The sun will come up tomorrow...

Extremely likely, but not a certainty. I can think of half a dozen astronomical events just off the top of my head that would prevent it from doing so.

Your heart will continue to beat until nightfall...

There is a small but finite chance that on any given day this will not be the case, and I acknowledge it.

There are THOUSANDS of things you have faith in; mainly because they've never let you down.

You have yet to name one.

I'll bet you even have faith that when you die that'll be it.

You would lose that bet. While I have no belief in life after death, I do not assert that it does not exist. I simply see no reason to believe that it does.

60 posted on 12/03/2013 12:56:12 PM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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