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Boy dies in fire after cops tase dad during rescue
ABC Locale ^ | November 08, 2013

Posted on 11/14/2013 7:27:50 AM PST by Gamecock

Police officers in the city of Louisiana, Missouri used the stun gun to stop Ryan Miller after he kicked in a front door and tried to enter his house to rescue his 3-year-old stepson, Riley.

Officers on the scene felt it was too dangerous to let anybody go in. ...Miller was tased three times, then handcuffed and thrown in the back of a police car.

The boy's body was eventually found 12 to 15 feet from the front door.

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To: wardaddy

My wife is on her second bag of popcorn.


41 posted on 11/14/2013 8:36:48 AM PST by redfreedom (GOP = Vichy colaborators at best, traitorous 5th Columnists at worst.)
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To: wideawake
Nobody is as obtuse as you pretend to be.

The child is the father's, not the police officer's, not the government's.

42 posted on 11/14/2013 8:40:29 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: wideawake

This whole circumstance reminds me of a situation in a war.

Had the dad been a soldier in WWII and he had a buddy in a burning building and he tried to get him out he would be up for the Medal of Honor, dead or alive.

Had the soldiers’ commanding officer prevented the soldier from the rescue attempt, he would lose the respect of his men.

The dad did the right thing. I would have done the same thing. I would do ANYTHING for my child, and freely give my life for even a .005% chance that my child could survive.

Not acknowledging that most parents feel that way makes you look like a fool.


43 posted on 11/14/2013 8:42:41 AM PST by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: Orangedog

Plus he’ll probably get a bill from the fire dept for their ‘services’ - yikes since when can they do that since it is already a tax-payer funded service?!?!


44 posted on 11/14/2013 8:52:13 AM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: wideawake

We could play on words and conflicts in reporting all day long, such as:

“Ryan knows that the child was still breathing” could be interpreted as Ryan knew this because a witness told him. But this would be just as much conjecture as knowing the child was already dead.

But what is not in conflict is the fact that the cops stopped a father from saving his son.


45 posted on 11/14/2013 8:54:33 AM PST by redfreedom (GOP = Vichy colaborators at best, traitorous 5th Columnists at worst.)
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To: wideawake

“By the way, the only people who let the child die were the stepfather and the the child’s mother - they fled the house and left the child inside.”

The boy was in a front room, they had to exit by the back door. The father then attempted to enter through the front door ... only about 12 feet from his son.

“By the time police and fire arrived, the child was already dead.”

Wrong.


46 posted on 11/14/2013 8:59:54 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: wideawake

I suspect a shameful episode in your past.


47 posted on 11/14/2013 9:02:40 AM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: wideawake
He wasn't dying for his family - he was dying just to die. His living family at that moment was his wife and his other child, and he was hurting them by running into that fire, not helping. While I acknowledge that this man, and also your husband, may allow their emotions to prevail over their better judgement, for your sake and his family's sake it's good that an observer with better judgment is sometimes able to intervene.

My position would be "My life is MY property, to be expended in whatever manner I choose".

48 posted on 11/14/2013 9:02:57 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Gamecock
The local police are not our friends.
Used to be - not any more.
I feel badly for the ones that are well-meaning, but my default position is now "stranger danger" when it comes to cops.
49 posted on 11/14/2013 9:04:59 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: wideawake
So if you were there, you would have stood by and watched this man run into a blazing fire?

Yes. His life belongs to him. If he wants to risk it in an effort, no matter how futile, to save his child that is his right.

50 posted on 11/14/2013 9:12:55 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: redfreedom

Lol, now that’s hilarious, but now people are looking at me funny while I wait for my plane.


51 posted on 11/14/2013 9:13:48 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Psalm 73; Gamecock
The local police are not our friends. Used to be - not any more.

Agreed. I have several retired LEOs and other uniformed civil servants in my family, but they all hail from a bygone era when such men treated the people that they served with respect.

Today I can't think of a single situation that can be improved by involving an armed representative of The Government. "Immediately leave the area if they arrive" is my current operating rule.

52 posted on 11/14/2013 9:14:22 AM PST by jboot (Ask me again after the revolution.)
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To: Gamecock

Let us role play. If your best judgement was that someone seeking to enter a burning house (raging river, rip tide, tornado, train crossing) would result in an unsuccessful rescue attempt and end with their death would you try to prevent them from attempting the entry?

Maybe you would let a stranger try but would you let a loved one risk certain death attempting to rescue another loved one?

If I was convinced a suicide mission was being attempted I would probably intervene. But then if it was my kid I would gladly die trying. My wife would thank the person stopping me.Go figure.


53 posted on 11/14/2013 9:18:05 AM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: wideawake

I would of grabbed the damn hose and kept water on him while he did. I’m a father and I would choose death with no hesitation rather than letting any of my kids die.


54 posted on 11/14/2013 9:19:02 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Orangedog

Its funny how many assisted suicide supporters are on FR.


55 posted on 11/14/2013 9:19:23 AM PST by Raymann
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To: wideawake

Sacrificing yourself for another is not suicide! Jesus himself says no greater love has he than he who lays down his life for another! He wasn’t suicidal, he was acting out of love!


56 posted on 11/14/2013 9:21:04 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Gamecock

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57 posted on 11/14/2013 9:23:13 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: Raymann

You’re a fool, a troll or both.


58 posted on 11/14/2013 9:24:39 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Gamecock

Most cops are cowards, period. Simply bullies with badges and guns. In this instance which is typical under these circumstances, cops didn’t want themselves to be exposed publically as the cowards they are by a civilian willing to put his life on the line to save a child. CAN’T HAVE THAT ! Same scenario occurred and was hushed up by the Columbine Cowards, who were the Cops!. Parents tried many times to enter school to save their kids but the cops just stood around directing traffic and keeping real adults from doing the cowardly cop’s jobs! Protecting & Saving Each Other’s Lives’ & Pensions is their real motto!


59 posted on 11/14/2013 9:26:33 AM PST by AKinAK (Keep your powder dry pilgrim.)
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To: wideawake

Your reply is circular. Either one is free or one is not free to make the decision. How do you know he would have died? I can just as well assume the cops/fire department were concerned about a potential lawsuit. I find your logic illogical.


60 posted on 11/14/2013 9:28:00 AM PST by DelFuego
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