Does The Book of Job Say that Satan Visits Heaven?

[ComtedeMaistre]

One of the strangest parts of the Bible is Job 1:6

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+1&version=GNT

[When the day came for the heavenly beings to appear before the Lord, Satan was there among them. The Lord asked him, “What have you been doing?”]

This part suggests that Satan visits heaven. Satan, of course, began as a full time resident of heaven, before he was expelled from heaven. It seems that he retains visiting rights.

It is this passage that led Mormons to teach that Jesus and Satan started out as brothers. We do know that Lucifer/Satan was the most senior of the Angels, with more seniority than Arch-Angels Gabriel and Michael. He was effectively Number 3 in heaven after God and Jesus.

Can any freeper Bible experts explain what Satan was doing in heaven, when unrepentant human sinners whose sins are much less than Satan's, are going straight to hell without a chance of seeing heaven?

[miele man]

For later read.

[GeronL]

Satan was a fallen angel, he was booted from heaven

This puts the lie to the idea “Once saved, always saved”

heh

[Keli Kilohana]

If Obama can be elected POTUS, then I guess anything is possible.

[bigheadfred]

Heavy duty stuff, old Enoch.

BTTT

[RoosterRedux]

It also brings up an interest point about Angels and free will.

Obviously, they have it (i.e. the capacity to disobey God)...otherwise, they would be nothing more than a bunch of robots.

[ConorMacNessa]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

[MNDude]

Well, you’re right.

I was thinking of the stories about the wars that took place between the angels in heaven.

I think a lot of modern beliefs and images about Satan arises from writings from Milton also.

[hulagirl]

Yes, but Jesus is never described as a created being/angel; which is why Mormons are dead wrong on that.

[RegulatorCountry]

Satan was and is an angelic being who went into rebellion and was cast down to earth. Our concept of “Heaven” has been heavily Hellenized to the point that people believe it to be angels floating on clouds playing harps or something. Not so.

Jesus Christ went into Hell for three days, Sheol actually, and led the righteous dead out of captivity but also had dealingS with the angels bound there in the furthest depths, from whence our notions of Hell arose. And, Satan partook in an angelic council before the Lord.

Much of popular perception is not altogether Biblical. The division between realms never was shown as being altogether absolute.

[AEMILIUS PAULUS]

I doubt demons are restrained as we see their effects today.(They hold public office in our government!) Further, did not Christ cast out demons which would hardly be possible if chained in hell. Just a thought.

[Salvation]

You are not looking at the whole thing......it is an interview -- God is talking with Satan -- not in heaven.....remember that God can be anywhere.  Please don't limit him.

 

The Interview Between the Lord and the Satan.

6^b One day, when the sons of God^* came to present themselves before the LORD, the satan also came among them.^c

7The LORD said to the satan, “Where have you been?” Then the satan answered the LORD and said,^d “Roaming the earth and patrolling it.”

8The LORD said to the satan, “Have you noticed my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him, blameless and upright, fearing God and avoiding evil.”

9The satan answered the LORD and said, “Is it for nothing that Job is God-fearing?

10Have you not surrounded him and his family and all that he has with your protection? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his livestock are spread over the land.

11^e But now put forth your hand and touch all that he has, and surely he will curse you to your face.”

12The LORD said to the satan, “Very well, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on him.” So the satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

 

 

Here is the footnote for verse 6

 

* [1:6] Sons of God: members of the divine council; see Gn 6:1–4; Dt 32:8; Ps 82:1. The satan: lit., “adversary” (as in 1 Kgs 11:14). Here a member of the heavenly court, “the accuser” (Zec 3:1). In later biblical traditions this character will be developed as the devil (Gk. diabolos, “adversary”).

[null and void]

When was he saved?

[RoosterRedux]

And there's a huge amount of information in the Pseudepigrapha Vol I and II (I have been working my way slowly through it for years).

The Hereafter may arrived before I finished my study of said Hereafter.;-)

[Salvation]

This needs to be on the Religion Forum. It got posted on the new forum.

[RoosterRedux]

There is a mention in Revelation also.

[CodeToad]

“It is this passage that led Mormons to teach that Jesus and Satan started out as brothers.

Sorry, but the book of mormon was started by a guy looking to get sexual favors and power. Attempting to rationalize his writings against Christianity is insulting, offensive to Christianity, and illogical.

[jespasinthru]

A lot of the Old Testament doesn’t make sense when you take it literally, because so much of it is missing. Over the centuries many important parts were edited out and lost forever by elitist church elders who took it upon themselves to decide that mankind should not know certain things that were revealed in the original Bible. The modern-day bible is just a puzzle with a lot of missing pieces.

[Hodar]

That’s one way to look at it, ultimate betrayal is another.

God says he will never desert us, but the story tells another tale.

So, is the story a parable, or a historical event?

Of interest is the fact that no one is certain who wrote the book of Job.

[flaglady47]

“Sorry, but the book of mormon was started by a guy looking to get sexual favors and power. Attempting to rationalize his writings against Christianity is insulting, offensive to Christianity, and illogical.”

Same with the Church of England and old Henry VIII wanting sexual favors and power, right?