there seems to be some technical difficulties with my box...
Posted on 10/27/2013 5:45:21 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
WASHINGTON — As America's road planners struggle to find the cash to mend a crumbling highway system, many are beginning to see a solution in a little black box that fits neatly by the dashboard of your car.
The devices, which track every mile a motorist drives and transmit that information to bureaucrats, are at the center of a controversial attempt in Washington and state planning offices to overhaul the outdated system for funding America's major roads.
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Would the fuel taxes be repealed?
No.
Would the fuel taxes be repealed?
No.
You would get taxed twice. Once for the amount of fuel. Then for the amount of miles driven.
This one is easy. Every state requires annual inspections. In NY the mileage is recorded and transmitted to DMV along with the emissions report. A little 3rd grade arithmetic and you have the mileage for that car.absolutely no need for a black box continually feeding GPS data to big brother.one problem with the concept. Say I live in Pa. and work in Queens.Most of my driving is on Jersey roads but Pa gets the tax money.I see this as a counter by the Progessives to my very simple scheme.
Agenda 21, nudge masses into consolidated smaller housing, mass transit.
We have a fuel tax for roads. If you drive more you get taxed more because you use more fuel. Heavy trucks that do the most damage to roads also pay more in taxes for roads since they use more fuel.
This black box thing is about Agenda 21. Move (nudge) people out of the rural and suburbs and into the cities where they can be controlled
“It’s really getting closer to the time for pitchforks and torches.”
In 2013 it would be locked & loaded, C4, hack attacks and sabotage.
There’s far to many idiots in government.
there seems to be some technical difficulties with my box...
What’s wrong with building a tamper-proof odometer and making tampering with one a RICO-eligible felony with a minimum 10-year prison term?
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I drive A LOT of miles , I have had odometers fail ,, odometer alteration is already a federal offense but I understand at least 30% of used cars have their odometers altered by used car dealers ... the electronic ones are the easiest to change ... in fact cars shipped between the US and Canada (for sale) must have their odometers altered by law from/to miles/kilometers and the reading reset to match.. you can find dozens of odometer shops that will do it for you near the border .. or just mail your odometer to dashpro.com
You can always visit a junkyard and buy a gauge cluster with a lower mileage showing.
Federal fuel tax per gallon:
18.4 cents = gasoline
24.4 cents = diesel
States vary all over the map on their charges.
States plus Federal numbers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_States
The same compelling interest the relevant billing entities have in knowing how much electricity or water you use. Like electricity and water, road maintenance costs money, and unless your car flies to its destination, it imposes wear-and-tear on roads, which directly affects maintenance costs. Maybe you'd be more comfortable having roads maintained by some private entity (and that would be fine by me), but the bottom line is that somebody needs to pay for road maintenance, and odometer readings, which are taken during annual vehicle inspections (in states that have them) are a reasonable way of finding out how much wear and tear (and therefore cost) a given car has imposed on the roads.
It would seem to me a tire tax would be the best way of handling the issue.
Which will be yet another reason to maintain/refurbish older vehicles.
Retreads would make a startling comeback. What was old would become new again. I find the idea of making tire refurbishment illegal - which is what it would take to prevent mileage tax evasion - pretty amusing.
Nah, you’d tax recapping too... I mean there could be stealth recapping, but stealth anything is the risk of taxation. A tax doesn’t need to be perfect to be useful. Tie the tax to the rated tread life.
Don’t know how old you are, but here goes.
Gasoline taxes, Federal, state and maybe local were emplaced specifically for road maintenance and repair. The drives thus paid for the “use” and upkeep of roadways built usually by public bonds. And for decades this worked fairly well albeit with the usual graft involved in such civic projects. Those taxes were not part of the general fund.
So the gasoline/diesl already taxes the user based on the drivers usage and fuel consumption. Low mpg vehicles pay the premium for the necessity or need of the high consumption.
The pols are playing three card Monte with the usual semi-literate and disengaged populous. You actually can fool most of the people most of the time, even here on FR.
Have a good evening.
We're going to look more and more like Cuba - what with the health care and the old 1950s cars...
This isn't news to me. The problem we have today is the increasing presence of EV's and hybrids, which decrease fuel usage (and thus, fuel tax payments) without decreasing road wear. Then there's the potential for the large scale adoption of CNG vehicles in the decade ahead. Ultimately, the gasoline tax will have to be reduced or scrapped in exchange for something that doesn't ignore the effect of non-gasoline burning road users.
“Some see” means “we see” to the commie media.
and here i thought the GAS TAXES where what you paid to drive by the mile...
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