So what is the point of this shutdown if they surrender in the end?
Why not just have a one party system at this point?
Put the printing Presses on Extra Fast and just let them print money ad infinitum.
Obama and Oboehner.
Keeping the engine going till the train runs over the cliff.
He is inept at dealing with a sadistic petulant president who is scaring the markets and the international community
Caving to ta temper tantrum is the last thing we want to do
I wonder if boehners kuds are spoiled
We really need strong family men up there because it is OUR kids who have to pay obama’s toy store bill
propaganda
there are lots of ways to avoid a default with House-written legislation.
None of those ways will make Reid-bama happy LOL but they will all prioritize and limit how money is spent.
no surrendering - it’s post propaganda trying to weaken resolve of squishy Rs
The work is in getting the debt down. It's 16 Trill....It was 8 Trill when Obama took office.
Let business thrive....the pipeline, fracking, lumbering, mining....
Make all Federal Parks and Roads....state parks and roads.
Get rid of Head start....the EPA....the Education Department...etc etc and stop with the phenominal pension and health care forever benefits for fed, state and local workers.
Oddly, I don’t think it is going to matter what Boehner crafts to avoid default. Why?
I don’t think 0bama, Reid, or Pelosi will commit to a deal of any kind. Based on the current visible moves they are making, they are going to default on the American public.
Note that they originally said the debt limit was the best target to use rather than the CR, now it looks like thats over,
Dont be surprised if he rolls the CR into that.
If Boehner avoids default by having the House pass a debt bill for no other purpose but to pay the interest on the debt, then he hasn’t caved or surrendered.
It’s still awful to contemplate that the USA has to go deeper into debt to pay to service its existing debt, but for now if it stops Obamacare, it’s worth it.
On the other hand, if Boehner avoids default by giving Obama what he wants, then yes, it’s surrender and it’s also the death of the republican party. The GOP will still be there for awhile but they will be a shell without substantial support. A new party will be born in my opinion if this surrender by the republican leadership occurs.
Continuing to borrow money is not an option.
The fedgov collects 2.7 Trillion dollars a year in taxes. Interest payments on the debt are about 0.4 Trillion dollars a year.
Yeah, I think default can be avoided with no debt ceiling increase.
What will have to be changed are the fedgov’s spending habits.
surrender cry baby ready to throw in the towel, can’t take the heat, won’t answer your phone calls. Nor will TN senator bob corker, hiding behind the gov’t shut down crapola.
Hold the increase to a minimum, do not include Obamacare, and get on with the business of Government.
Keep the EPA closed until hell freezes over.
Hey bone-head and odumber - two simple thoughts. One, no obamacare. Not now, not ever. Two, no more debt. Live within your means, the rest of us have to. Any violation of these two and you’re out on your backsides. We did it in CO, we can do it at the National level too. Now get serious and get to work.
Yeah, this president has spent $15 trillion dollars and the Republicans just keep giving him the checkbook to write more. The Republicans claim they don’t want to “default” on the federal debt. A rising debt is not the same as defaulting on the current debt.
The only way to win in DC Politics is to STAY ON OFFENSE !
Funny...”Boehner” doesn’t sound like a French name.
If he caves this time, he should be removed as Speaker. Period.
“Okay guys, right near the end of this game of chicken, I’m gonna swerve hard left. Lets play the game anyway to see who wins but that’s what I’m gonna do”
Wait, as long as the govt stays partially shutdown, at this point, do they still need to borrow anything? (Assuming no “war” starts or financial “crisis” erupts.)
The GOP is likely to lose anyway. The number of Americans “on the dole” - via welfare, benefits, government jobs or contracts - is FAR higher than it was in 1995. And those people want their gravy train to never end.
There was never any doubt. We will have to wait until 2015 and a new Speaker to actually do anything beyond the budget right now.